I'm not advocating limiting free speech. I'm just pointing out that every side has its share of extremists.
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Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful
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I'm not advocating limiting free speech. I'm just pointing out that every side has its share of extremists.
Ignatius A
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It's true that if Hamas killed every jew on the planet that would solve their problem. Maybe that's why they have that as one of their goals.
Has hamas tried it? I might have missed it.
We Never Know
No Slack
One of my favorite meme's...
Others may not like the protests, what they say, etc but.....
Ignatius A
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I agree completely but to clarify they aren't free to do things to other people.
Nope.
One side of the conflict is driven by Islamic Jihadis. We cannot hope to find real solutions if we ignore or soft pedal that fact.
Clizby Wampuscat
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For starters here is an organization that will pay for bail or court fees in association with Israel - Hammas protests, this organization also organized the protests.
Yes, it takes money to keep an angry mob in check, no one is hiding that. Some disparage themselves by calling for the death of jews, attacking jews and calling for the annihilation of Israel or do you agree with them?
Is this your argument for Israel to treat
Muslims in the manner it does?
Pogo
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***** has used terrorist tactics since day one. ******** used terrorist tactics.
We should be used to it by now.
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Clarify?
Pogo
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InChrist
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You don’t appear to very objective or concerned about justice, peace and prosperity of Jews, Muslims and Christians if you are calling these protests on university campuses “wonderful “. Protesters have yelled things at Jewish students and professors, such as, “Go back to Poland, Kill your self” and called for the annihilation of Israel. Jewish students have been harassed on campus, sometimes having to barricade themselves inside rooms for safety. Classes have gone to only online and graduation ceremonies cancelled in some cases.
Sounds pretty bigoted to me and not like a productive way to facilitate peaceful resolution to this conflict.
“The anti-Israel demonstrations around Columbia Universityturned threatening and antisemitic Saturday night, as they have repeatedly across the country. On social media, you can find footage of crowds taunting Jewish students to “Go back to Poland!” and chanting, “We don’t want no Zionists here!” There is a masked protester with a sign that reads “Al-Qasam’s Next Target” with an arrow pointing at Jewish counterprotesters nearby. Al-Qassam is the military wing of Hamas. A protester screamed at Jewish students, “The 7th of October is going to be every day for you!”
Why Anti-Israel Protesters Won’t Stop Harassing Jews
The movement’s ideological character invites rage and violence.
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I certainly won't appear objective to fanatical
Zionists who defend evil perpetrated by Jews,
& seethe with hatred & rage at Muslims. IMO.
"Objective" means their view & no other.
What's wonderful is the emerging movement to
turn around US policy, ie, stop supporting
apartheid, human rights violations, theft,
genocide, & starvation. IMO.
Jews have yelled "Death to Arabs".
Just as the pro Palestinians' agenda isn't dismissible
because some yell wrongful things, neither should
Israel's right to exist be lost just because some of
them call for wrongful things.
Bigotry abounds. But Israeli & US (largely Christian
leaders) bigotries are the deadliest of all in this conflict.
It appears that you see only bigotry in those who oppose
Israel's genocide? Is this so? Is there nothing from Jews,
from Christians, & from others who support Israel's brutal
treatment of non-Jews?
Your moniker suggests to me that you follow“The anti-Israel demonstrations around Columbia Universityturned threatening and antisemitic Saturday night, as they have repeatedly across the country. On social media, you can find footage of crowds taunting Jewish students to “Go back to Poland!” and chanting, “We don’t want no Zionists here!” There is a masked protester with a sign that reads “Al-Qasam’s Next Target” with an arrow pointing at Jewish counterprotesters nearby. Al-Qassam is the military wing of Hamas. A protester screamed at Jewish students, “The 7th of October is going to be every day for you!”
Why Anti-Israel Protesters Won’t Stop Harassing Jews
The movement’s ideological character invites rage and violence.
the Prince Of Peace. Is this so?
Would he pursue genocide & starvation as a
means to defend Israel?
All you offer is one sided defense of Israel's
genocide of Palestinians, employing fault
finding of protesters & Muslims. IMO.
You should consider this.
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Yes, just like the protesters on the college campuses.
Your posts' allusions are too sophisticated for me.
I'm a simple angry groundskeeper, & need things
dumbed down to my level.
Israel was founded using terrorist tactics, eg,
bombing buildings, murder.
You cannot simply point to shortcomings on
one side, & ignore the hideous sins of those
you defend. This is bigoted apologetics.
Worse, this is to support genocide.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Is that it? A legal organization that voluntarily pay legal fees? You think that's sufficient evidence to suggest astro-turfing?
Any actual evidence about serious crimes or damage coming out of the protests?
No.
Do you agree with the right to protest and freedom of speech? Do you agree with protests against killing civilians?
I just find it very odd that you raise the allegation of money coming in to the protests (which you have failed to demonstrate or substantiate in any way) meanwhile ignoring the extremely widely reported and understood fact that those who aggressively stand against the protest have significantly large amounts of funds coming into them, and that the protest is very explicitly about the US government funding a foreign government's military operations the tune of billions.
Seems to me that the "follow the money" argument isn't something you actually believe in. You just want to disparage the protesters.
BBC is right now covering the increase in student
protests of USA helping Israel commit genocide.
Critics don't openly argue for genocide. They tacitly
approve of it, but are loath to admit it. So they use
disingenuous ad hominem attacks on the protestors,
eg, making writ large the bad acts of some, blaming
outside organizations, yelling "Anti-Semite!".
Genocide supporters are on the wrong side of history,
just as were supporters of the Vietnam War, & the
South's segregation.
Protesters were (& now are) the source of positive change.
protests of USA helping Israel commit genocide.
Critics don't openly argue for genocide. They tacitly
approve of it, but are loath to admit it. So they use
disingenuous ad hominem attacks on the protestors,
eg, making writ large the bad acts of some, blaming
outside organizations, yelling "Anti-Semite!".
Genocide supporters are on the wrong side of history,
just as were supporters of the Vietnam War, & the
South's segregation.
Protesters were (& now are) the source of positive change.
NYPD enters Columbia University, arrests dozens of protesters inside Hamilton Hall - UPI.com
Hundreds of New York Police Department officers wearing riot gear swarmed Columbia University's campus Tuesday night and entered Hamilton Hall where they cleared the building and arrested dozens of protesters.
Columbia has already adamantly refused to divest from Israel, so that's going to be the major point of impasse. I don't know what financial transparency would entail, although I've observed that private organizations tend to want to keep their finances secret. So, they may not win on that point either.
Columbia might agree to amnesty, if the protesters give up now, but if this turns out to be a long-term thing, then all bets are off.
Columbia is going to endure continuing strife as longNYPD enters Columbia University, arrests dozens of protesters inside Hamilton Hall - UPI.com
Hundreds of New York Police Department officers wearing riot gear swarmed Columbia University's campus Tuesday night and entered Hamilton Hall where they cleared the building and arrested dozens of protesters.www.upi.com
Columbia has already adamantly refused to divest from Israel, so that's going to be the major point of impasse. I don't know what financial transparency would entail, although I've observed that private organizations tend to want to keep their finances secret. So, they may not win on that point either.
Columbia might agree to amnesty, if the protesters give up now, but if this turns out to be a long-term thing, then all bets are off.
as it supports Israel, apartheid, & genocide. Cracking
down on students looks likely to backfire.
I just hope we don't have any incidents like Kent State. I don't expect New York to call out the national guard, but in places like Texas or Florida, I'm sure they would consider it.