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Students Are Pushing Back Against Gender Ideology In Their Schools

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
By definition, to know simply means to be certain beyond any shadow of doubt. Granted, just because you are certain does not mean you are right.
Know Definition & Meaning | Britannica Dictionary
When I say I am 100% certain, I am saying I am beyond any shadow of doubt.

But you haven't had your genes tested, right? So if not, then you don't know if you are XY for another version of know.
For know as justified true belief you don't know if you are XY, unless you have been tested.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Even if I did, why should I trust the person doing the testing?

Testing is not required for me to know

I determine what I find justifiable; not you.

Yeah, that works for the subjective but not quite the same for the objective, if you want to believe in that. Now you don't have to, as you can go for different versions of solipism, but in practice you don't, because you have used examples of objective yourself.
So you are just using a double standard for objective.
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
The idea of sex being binary is based on the idea that male and female are not only black and white, but also many shades of gray. But each of those shades of gray are still either male or female; each shade does not have it's own name.

The part I put in boldface seems to contradict the claim that sex is binary. The different "shades" of intersex categories can have any names we choose to give them, and specialists who study intersex produce names for categories that make sense to them. However, it is important not to confuse the biological concept of intersex individuals with sexual orientation and gender dysphoria, which may have nothing to do with the gonads that one is born with.

Gender pronouns can be be confusing, because they represent an arbitrary social distinction that can change over time. As I've pointed out before, different languages have different conventions regarding gender reference, but we've just been discussing English conventions here. Some languages make more distinctions and some fewer. English is not as bad as most European languages in terms of forcing speakers to make gender choices that may not comport with reality. The problem is that social and linguistic conventions do not always match up ideally with the real world.


If there are a variety of sexes, each sex should have a name. She mentioned Male, Female, and Intersex. If there are more, what are they?

You can find this information on the internet without me having to cut and paste it here. I suggest you start with Wikipedia's page on Intersex. There are a lot of names for categories that are more specific to the male and female ends of the scalar range, but some (for example, "true hermaphroditism") are neither. If you look under the Prevalence section, you'll find a table that also gives statistics on prevalence in the general population.

Again, we need to be careful not to confuse intersex conditions with sexual orientation, which is orthogonal to biological sexual characteristics. Gender dysphoria is not just about intersex individuals.
 
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Kfox

Well-Known Member
Yeah, that works for the subjective but not quite the same for the objective,
I've never claimed to have provided objective evidence; even though I believe I could if I wanted to, in cases like these subjective evidence is all that is necessary for myself
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Which is called "blind belief".
Do you inspect every nut, bolt, and cable of a car before driving it? Do you check the pilot’s credentials before getting on a plane? Just because I haven’t covered every single base does not mean I’ve covered no bases at all. No my friend, my belief is not blind at all
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Do you inspect every nut, bolt, and cable of a car before driving it? Do you check the pilot’s credentials before getting on a plane? Just because I haven’t covered every single base does not mean I’ve covered no bases at all. No my friend, my belief is not blind at all

No, but whether the car can drive as such, somewhat or not, is not dependent on what you believe.
The same with whether you are XY or not.

Now if I were to guess, you are XY, but that is not evidence, since not all males are XY.
Even I could be XYY without knowing it. The chance of that is not great, but it is not zero. So that you are subjectively confident is not the same as a justified true belief for knowledge.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
No, but whether the car can drive as such, somewhat or not, is not dependent on what you believe.
The same with whether you are XY or not.

Now if I were to guess, you are XY, but that is not evidence, since not all males are XY.
Even I could be XYY without knowing it. The chance of that is not great, but it is not zero. So that you are subjectively confident is not the same as a justified true belief for knowledge.
Who cares??? I think knowing if all of the nuts, bolts, and wiring of a car are good is far more important than knowing if I am XY or XYY.
 

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Who cares??? I think knowing if all of the nuts, bolts, and wiring of a car are good is far more important than knowing if I am XY or XYY.

Cars don't have legal status as citizens, who are supposed to be treated equally and fairly by the government. If they have mental or physical conditions that separate them from the norm, that shouldn't matter. That's why we care.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Cars don't have legal status as citizens, who are supposed to be treated equally and fairly by the government.
Wrong, cars do have legal status and their scrutiny is far more complex than citizens. If the nuts bolts and wiring is defective on a car it is illegal to drive it because it is a danger to not only the driver but anyone nearby
If they have mental or physical conditions that separate them from the norm, that shouldn't matter. That's why we care.
There are laws against treating people with mental and physical conditions unfairly. Your argument fails
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Who cares??? I think knowing if all of the nuts, bolts, and wiring of a car are good is far more important than knowing if I am XY or XYY.
Wrong, cars do have legal status and their scrutiny is far more complex than citizens. If the nuts bolts and wiring is defective on a car it is illegal to drive it because it is a danger to not only the driver but anyone nearby

There are laws against treating people with mental and physical conditions unfairly. Your argument fails

Well, cars don't have legal status by themselves, because they act like that. Legal is a human construct about good and bad in a sense as per your danger.
As for cars being more complex that humans, how do you know that?
 
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