But these variations (intersex) are still male female right? IOW with Intersex (an abnormality which is why it's called intersex condition) the person is still either male or female, they are just a male or female with the condition known as intersex; do you agree?
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Any links to the actual studies of that?
IOW, your "biology" (what does this mean, BTW? Physiology? Genetics? Something else?) is in line with your personal ideas of how your sex should relate to your gender, which corresponds to your gender identity.
So if I understand you correctly, let's say I was born with 5 fingers on each hand, but you were born with 6 on each hand. You are saying I have no right to claim it is abnormal for a human to be born with 6 fingers on each hand and say your 6 fingers are the result of an abnormality because it is normal for humans to have 5 fingers; is this the point you are making?Okay, let us play this game of disorder and abnormal, but do it on you. Now I am going to give evidence for the fact that you have a disorder and are abonormal.But if you understand what I am actually do, you will get the joke and how it is a game in a sense. But I predict you don't get it and thus you have a disorder and are abnormal.
For 2 or more humans, if you can observe 2 different behaviors as in effect exclusive as only one or the other is possible for a single human, you can assign normal and abnormal on one of the behaviors and the other on the other behavior. You can't observe normal or abonormal as they have no properites in regards to the 5 senses and there is no scientific measurement standard for any measurement unit of normal or abnormal.
So let us look at 2 different kinds of cognition. Abnormal non-reflective automation cognition and normal, correct non-disorder reflective cognition.
It is connected to the ability to not just react to input, but reflect as per intra-psychology to one's own cogntion and understand that oneself has cognition and examine that cognition and not just take it for granted and not examine it. It is connected to the concept of meta-cogntion and the ablity to self-monitor ones own thinking and feeling and reflect on that.
It can be tested for in all humans including you and I and the effect is that you will use different cognition on this subject of cognition versus how I do it. I.e. you have a disorder and are abnormal and I am not, because I say so.
So what you do in effect, is to state your cognition as self-evident as correct for all understanding, because to you other versions of cognition is incorrect, but you don't actually notice that you do that as you. You take it for granted as self-evidenct as correct for all human behavior, because that you are normal, is a fact that is indepedent of any cognition. That is your trick.
Your method is as follows. Observe a human in total for all that this human is and you pick one cateogory and declare that is relevent for how you treat that human. But that you pick that category, is not objective, universal or indepedent of that you pick that category. That is what you can't understand with meta-cogntion. To you that is self-evidenct in your cognition.
And that is how you are abonormal and have a disorder
Do you understand that a human is not just objective facts and that is also the case with you, not just you, but us all.
That I have a different cognition than you doesn't mean I am abnormal or have a disorder. But that is also the case for you. We are just different for how we behave. But you deny that as relevant, beucause you treat yourself as a speical postive case, because of reasons...
Ella S.
Well-Known Member
No. Strictly speaking, their sex isn't male or female; they're intersex.
Sexual biology is based on my physical characteristics. IOW I have the Y sex chrosome. This makes me a biological male
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yes and no. The deeper problem is that we humans are not just objective and you are subjectively chosing to concentrate on that we are in part objective for this debate, when it in effect is a combination of objective and subjective.
But to understand that you have to fully learn to understand the is-ought problem and that requires that you can fully relfect on and understand when you are subjective.
Have you ever actually had your DNA sequenced?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, not according to modern science.
@Shaul referenced NIH and I went and look it up:
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Sex
Sex is a multidimensional biological construct based on anatomy, physiology, genetics, and hormones. (These components are sometimes referred to together as “sex traits.”)[2] All animals (including humans) have a sex. As is common across health research communities, NIH usually categorizes sex as male or female, although variations do occur. These variations are called differences in sex development (DSD) or intersex conditions.[3] "Sex & Gender
What are Sex & Gender? And why do they matter in health research? Understanding sex and gender is critical to understanding human health and disease.
In effect your claim is old science, but science has moved on.
So intersex is a biological sex just like male and female? IOW sex is 3 rather than 2? Why do they call it intersex condition, but not male or female condition? Do you think the existence of intersex has anything to do with the transgender issue?
How does this link prove anything I said wrong?No, not according to modern science.
@Shaul referenced NIH and I went and look it up:
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Sex
Sex is a multidimensional biological construct based on anatomy, physiology, genetics, and hormones. (These components are sometimes referred to together as “sex traits.”)[2] All animals (including humans) have a sex. As is common across health research communities, NIH usually categorizes sex as male or female, although variations do occur. These variations are called differences in sex development (DSD) or intersex conditions.[3] "
Sex & Gender
What are Sex & Gender? And why do they matter in health research? Understanding sex and gender is critical to understanding human health and disease.orwh.od.nih.gov
In effect your claim is old science, but science has moved on.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
That you are a male is not just that you are XY. There is more to that, than just XY. That is what the link says:
"... multidimensional biological construct based on anatomy, physiology, genetics, and hormones. ..."
Read all the words and ask if you need help understanding what it means.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
So you don't know if you have the Y chromosome or not, and yet here you are assuming you are male.
Interesting.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
So you check the genitals and chromosomes of the people you meet before you'll address them??
Then you should have no problem answering my question. Again; what necessary medical research have I opposed?
Just so we are understanding each other, what part of a human being is objective, and which parts are subjective?
Okay! I could have said I've got a prostate but not a Uterus, I've got a testosterones level closer to 1000 than 25, I've got testes instead of ovaries, and a host of other differences, but for the sake of time, I only listed one of the many factors that separate me from the opposite sex
I haven't been given proof of Y chromosome, yet I claim to be male; that is correct.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Oh! So it's gone from being defined by a single thing to LOTS of different things.
Interesting.