Students Are Pushing Back Against Gender Ideology In Their Schools

[ImmortalFlame]

Provide your simple, unambiguous definition of male.

A person with green eyes.

There. Simple, unambiguous.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A person with green eyes.

There. Simple, unambiguous.

Except this is a person who could have the genes for blue eyes.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

What do you mean when you say biology and gender should not match?

That I think sex should refer to biology, but gender should refer to a social identity.

 

[Revoltingest]

How does a person who doesn't know what a woman is, think they are a woman

Talk about loaded questions....criminy!
Suffice to say....
I listen to the experience of others,
& treat it as their reality. To deny
it would require strong evidence.
No one's presented that.

No, the birth certificate is only a legal confirmation of what was revealed at the gender reveal party months prior.

Irrelevant.
Gender reveal parties don't include
thorough genetic analysis, nor can
they address in utero brain orientation.

I advise considering more complexity,
& standards that are more useful than
arbitrary simplistic ones.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So you think the NIH is simplistic. They know more about biology than you do. If you still think you know better than the actual U.S. government agency entrusted with Health then you should go and change their minds.

I suggest you take your own advice. Did you bother to read the page on gender dysphoria from the source you linked to?

 

[Shaul]

A

There isn't one. Nature didn't give us unambigious biologies. At this point it's your own fault for refusing to acknowledge the fact amd reality that Nature gave us more than XX and XY. This has been explained to you yet you still persist in your belief that's all there is.

So you demand that people give up the nominative time tested definition without even having one to replace it. No wonder you are agitated. You position is untenable and will be rejected.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So you demand that people give up the nominative time tested definition without even having one to replace it. No wonder you are agitated. You position is untenable and will be rejected.

"Don't try to replace my false binary that with anything involving nuance or uncertainty! I want concrete answers even if they're wrong!"

 

[Shaul]

"Don't try to replace my false binary that with anything involving nuance or uncertainty! I want concrete answers even if they're wrong!"

It isn't wrong. And to replace it with nothing is absurd. If your position is that "male" cannot be defined then you must simply not use the word. But you can't demand that everyone else to the same.

 

[Copernicus]

It isn't wrong. And to replace it with nothing is absurd. If your position is that "male" cannot be defined then you must simply not use the word. But you can't demand that everyone else to the same.

Yet you feel entitled to demand that everyone else adhere to your personal take on how to define male gender and sex.

 

[fantome profane]

That's because I am who I perceive myself to be.

No one really is.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Provide your simple, unambiguous definition of male.

Use this one from NIH:

Sex & Gender

What are Sex & Gender? And why do they matter in health research? Understanding sex and gender is critical to understanding human health and disease.

orwh.od.nih.gov

"Sex​

Sex is a multidimensional biological construct based on anatomy, physiology, genetics, and hormones. (These components are sometimes referred to together as “sex traits.”)[2] All animals (including humans) have a sex. As is common across health research communities, NIH usually categorizes sex as male or female, although variations do occur. These variations are called differences in sex development (DSD) or intersex conditions.[3] "
That is what you do, so that is the defintion according to you. You use science and here is the defintion.

 

[Copernicus]

The real issue here is not so much on how to define sex and gender, but what public policies should be regarding people who do not fit perfectly within the traditional binary categorization. For example, public restrooms are segregated according to male and female gender, even though the bodily process of eliminating wastes is not a sexual activity. Given that it is becoming socially acceptable for LGBTQ individuals to publicly reveal their preferences, the reality is that they still need to use public restrooms. Their genes and chromosomes don't matter to people who are strongly affected by the social taboos surrounding toilets and urinals. What seems to matter more is their visceral fear of being caught with their pants down in a restroom with people who don't share their views on sexual behavior and might want to interact with them in some way. People fear having their gender-based privacy violated.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So you demand that people give up the nominative time tested definition without even having one to replace it. No wonder you are agitated. You position is untenable and will be rejected.

It's not a time tested definition. We haven't even known about chromosomes that long as they weren't discovered until 1905.
And I'm not agitated. I'm just pointing out your trying twist science to fit how you want things to be. But Nature is obligated to give us nothing, it is sloppy and messy, it is not black and white, yet you try to claim it's crystal clear. But it's not.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The real issue here is not so much on how to define sex and gender, but what public policies should be regarding people who do not fit perfectly within the traditional binary categorization. For example, public restrooms are segregated according to male and female gender, even though the bodily process of eliminating wastes is not a sexual activity. Given that it is becoming socially acceptable for LGBTQ individuals to publicly reveal their preferences, the reality is that they still need to use public restrooms. Their genes and chromosomes don't matter to people who are strongly affected by the social taboos surrounding toilets and urinals. What seems to matter more is their visceral fear of being caught with their pants down in a restroom with people who don't share their views on sexual behavior and might want to interact with them in some way. People fear having their gender-based privacy violated.

As I love to point out, those Christians who are like that care WAY more about the porcelain Buddha than they do their own Messiah.

 

[Kfox]

There is, unless you also believe there isn't a consensus on evolution amd global warming.

Evolution and global warming have nothing to do with this. What necessary medical research have I opposed?

 

[Kfox]

Part of my point is, despite your belief in using pronouns to match gender, there is something uncivil about pushing this on someone else who is asking you to use specific terms.

I didn't say I use pronouns to match gender, I use pronouns to match their biological sex.

 

[Kfox]

That I think sex should refer to biology, but gender should refer to a social identity.

I was saying my biology and social identity matches.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I didn't say I use pronouns to match gender, I use pronouns to match their biological sex.

You are correct; I actually meant to type out "genetics," but that is also not what you stated so I will fix the error.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I was saying my biology and social identity matches.

Ah, so you are not against using pronouns that match social identity instead of biology?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Evolution and global warming have nothing to do with this. What necessary medical research have I opposed?

I mentioned those because there is solid scientific consensus on thise subjects, except to the conservatives who insist otherwise. There is also a solid consensus for treating people with gender dysphoria. Except, that is, to those who manage to believe, despite knowing very little of the subject, that they know better than the experts.
Andd you have provided us with many pages of your posts that shows your opposition, antagonism, and false believes (you don't know people's biology, quit pretending you do).