Students Are Pushing Back Against Gender Ideology In Their Schools

[fantome profane]

I would consider them rude, but there is nothing I could do about it; other than refrain from taking to them

So you would understand if someone did the same thing to you.

I know, you think it is ok when you do if because you don't understand that biology and gender are not the same thing. But I hope at least you can understand that from their point of view you are being rude by insisting in using the pronouns you want to rather than what they would prefer.

 

[Kfox]

People who think they're one
gender, but their sex is the other.

How does a person who doesn't know what a woman is, think they are a woman

Birth certificates assign sex only after birth.

No, the birth certificate is only a legal confirmation of what was revealed at the gender reveal party months prior.

 

[Kfox]

You are.

What have I said to give you that impression?

 

[Kfox]

No. There's no reason to use inferiority as a definition.
Why not consider what I'm saying? Don't use hard determinations to define a human because we won't all fit, and do use inclusive wording that acknowledges upfront that variation occurs. That's not saying someone is deformes or inferior. It just means they are different (and losing a leg didn't slow down the St. Bernhard I knew).

Your problem is you seem to be mistaking "deformed" to mean inferior; it does not.

 

[Kfox]

Here's an ideal...

At birth lets stop assigning sex because it may not match their gender.

Lets also stop naming them with male and female names because again it may not match their gender.

When they are five, let them pick their sex/gender and name.

No one is mislabeled. Problem solved

How about if we instead just quit assigning behaviors and actions to genders based on averages; that way regardless of how someone feels on the inside, they can be either gender according to that feeling.

 

[Kfox]

Here's an ideal...

At birth lets stop assigning sex because it may not match their gender.

Lets also stop naming them with male and female names because again it may not match their gender.

When they are five, let them pick their sex/gender and name.

No one is mislabeled. Problem solved

How about if we instead just quit assigning behaviors and actions to genders based on averages; that way regardless of how someone feels on the inside, they can be either gender according to that feeling.

 

[Kfox]

So you would understand if someone did the same thing to you.

I know, you think it is ok when you do if because you don't understand that biology and gender are not the same thing.

I never said that, I said I address according to biology, not gender.

 

[fantome profane]

I never said that, I said I address according to biology, not gender.

I realize that. Addressing someone in a way that does not match their gender is rude. Their biology is frankly none of your business.

 

[Shaul]

They aren't insisting an AIS woman is a man. That is all you. And that is hiw you are trying to bend science to justify being a jerk. Those authors aren't so dumb they think everyone knows their chromosomes, amd certainly they wouldn't be insisting that's reason enough to deliberately misgender people. Again, that's you. They also aren't so dumb they try to define all humanity by either XX or XY. That's you because the authors know better and know not all humans fall into one of those two.

Provide your simple, unambiguous definition of male.

 

[Kfox]

I realize that. Addressing someone in a way that does not match their gender is rude. Their biology is frankly none of your business.

Insisting I address according to how they see themselves is rude.

 

[fantome profane]

Insisting I address according to how they see themselves is rude.

But you still want people to address you according to how you see yourself, otherwise you consider them rude.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What have I said to give you that impression?

It's your opposition and antagonism towards what medical professionals and research have deemed necessary.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You aren't everyone. If everyone accepted it this thread wouldnt be here.

That's basic human psychology. We only take in a very small part of the world and our brains heavily rely and depend on the social queues to navigate the world. And it's not just gender. Dress, mannerisms, language, we use these queues to acess those around us, much of it happening unconsciously. Amd we usually don't notice or pay attention unless something is askew.
Think of someone wearing skulls and chains. At face value that means nothing. But through our culture, our experiences, amd biases when we see that we see a socially constructed meaning in that.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Okay; if someone were referring to me as a she when speaking to someone else, I would explain to them I am male. If they believe I am a biological female and they were addressing my biology rather than my gender, I would tell them my biology and my gender are the same. If they continued to refer to me that way, I would consider them rude, but there is nothing I could do about it; other than refrain from taking to them

Part of my point is, despite your belief in using pronouns to match biology, there is something uncivil about pushing this on someone else who is asking you to use specific terms. I think you get that, so I shall bestow a frubal upon thee. (Though I disagree that biology and gender should match.)

 

[Kfox]

But you still want people to address you according to how you see yourself, otherwise you consider them rude.

That's because I am who I perceive myself to be.

 

[Kfox]

It's your opposition and antagonism towards what medical professionals and research have deemed necessary.

Are you under the impression there is a consensus concerning what medical professionals and research have deemed necessary?

 

[Kfox]

Part of my point is, despite your belief in using pronouns to match gender, there is something uncivil about pushing this on someone else who is asking you to use specific terms. I think you get that, so I shall bestow a frubal upon thee. (Though I disagree that biology and gender should match.)

What do you mean when you say biology and gender should not match?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A

Provide your simple, unambiguous definition of male.

There isn't one. Nature didn't give us unambigious biologies. At this point it's your own fault for refusing to acknowledge the fact amd reality that Nature gave us more than XX and XY. This has been explained to you yet you still persist in your belief that's all there is.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Are you under the impression there is a consensus concerning what medical professionals and research have deemed necessary?

There is, unless you also believe there isn't a consensus on evolution amd global warming.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I wasn’t putting words in your mouth,

Yes, you did.

you asked why did I exclude intersex; I was trying to tell you.

Again, no you didn't. You just made a straw man of my argument.

So care to answer my question?

I very clearly did.

Did you forget the question? Again; how would biological sex be different if it were binary instead of bimodal.

I have already explained this. Go back and read my answer that I very clearly gave.

Here is a link that seems to agree with me.

Chromosome: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

Chromosomes are structures found in the center (nucleus) of cells that carry long pieces of DNA. DNA is the material that holds genes. It is the building block of the human body.

medlineplus.gov

I'm not going to trade links with you. You have already been provided with links that show that both gender and biological sex are not simple binaries.