ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
I've already told you that gender identity and species are two different things.
Why are you pretending you don't already understand this?
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Students Are Pushing Back Against Gender Ideology In Their Schools
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Why are you pretending you don't already understand this?
Men and women are different too! Why are you pretending you don't already understand this?
This isn't the gotcha question you think it is. Mercury Stardust on TikTok
For the same reason you have no rigid definition of what a year is, because a trip of the Earth around the sun is fundamentally incorrect, with several notable exceptions due to physics, history and culture which changed how a calendar year works beyond a simple definition.
The truth is people trying to make rigid definitions of womanhood not based around personal identity end up solidifying way more sexism than they say they're defending against. Because there are no biological, cultural, psychological and social traits unifying all women.
Patrick66
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If a person can change their biological sex then I suppose they can change their species and their age.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
That's nonsense, and completely ignorant of basic observation. Women and men both expell gas and waste at similar rates, and yet the social expectations of men and women with regards to expelling gas and using the restroom are WILDLY different. It's just absurd to claim that we determine these expectations by these kinds of statistics.
See what I said below.
That's a designation, not a social reference like a pronoun.
Also note how you said you have been called a "black MAN". Notice that second word? I'm willing to bet you have relatively rarely been called "a black", but I am fairly certain you are almost always referred to as "a black MAN" or even just "a MAN".
It's almost as if the gender category you belong to is referred to a lot more than your race when people refer to you. Who woulda thunk?
And have you considered WHY that might be?
It's because, socially speaking, gender is a far more pervasive distinction than race. At the very least, currently.
Yes, we do. They're just not as ingrained or pervasive. People do have associations and archetypes based on expectations of race. The main difference is that we are more willing to challenge and question those associations than we are to challenge and question gender.
I agree. But those will always develop if you're defining people into social categories via their biology. As much as you want to divorce gender expectations from biological categorisations, that simply is never going to happen as long as we keep using gendered pronouns according to biological categories.
Literally all racial stereotypes and profiling. As I said, though, these are nowhere near as ubiquitous as gender, and society at large generally fights against them.
We don't have a parade every year in my city for people who like baked potatoes, either. Does that mean that people who like baked potatoes are socially stigmatised more than gay people, because gay pride parades happen?
Do you seriously believe those "men wearing dresses" haven't experienced severe abuse? What's the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to a black person you know who voted for Trump as a direct result of their voting for Trump? Because I guarantee, whatever it is, I can trump it EASILY by referring to the life of almost any trans or non-gender confirming person I know.
Where have I mentioned stereotypes? I am talking about expectations and archetypes.
For example, women wearing dresses is biodimorphically related to biological women's associations with childbirth. That's not a stereotype, it's an expectation.
You don't know the truth. You are not in these people's heads.
They aren't living a lie. They're being truthful.
You're just being asked to respect the fact that they are in a particular category. That's it. Why can't you just grow up and show some basic common courtesy and respect?
People have the right to be treated with basic respect.
Based on what? You have failed to make a single factual argument in support of the assertion that trans people's identities are false.
Except it is.
Because age is not a socially defined category. Gender is. If you can't tell the difference between age and gender, that's your issue. Not theirs. You have had every chance to be educated on the subject, and I and many posters have graciously taken the time to explain it to you. Your failure in comprehension here cannot be blamed on them. It can only be blamed on you. Either you're incapable of learning this distinction, or you are unwilling.
This has literally never been true for the entire history of social categorization. They have ALWAYS been subjectively defined depending on time and culture.
Then grow up. The world doesn't revolve around you and your limited understanding of it. There's a world outside of you.
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ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Not sex - gender.
They're not changing their biological sex, they're changing GENDER. The clue is in the name: trans-GENDER.
I explained this earlier.
Patrick66
Member
A male is always a male and a female is always a female. That cannot be changed.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Are you going to make an argument, or just statements?
Patrick66
Member
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Are you capable of responding to posts, or are you just going to continue with non sequiturs and baseless statements?
I need to know, because I want to know if it's worth the effort continuing to try to engage with you or if I should just put you on ignore.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
When have I ever said men and women are the same? Throughout our entire debate I have EXPLICITLY been saying that social expectations and associations are wildly different.
If you're going to try one of these snide "gotcha" arguments, try basing them on things I actually say. Don't just make up garbage.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Patrick66
Member
There are two types of people in this world, those who are of God and those who are NOT of God.
Patrick66
Member
1 John 4:6
We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
Patrick66
Member
From Wikipedia:
Do hermaphrodites exist in the human species?
Hermaphrodism is not to be confused with intersexuality, which is a separate and unrelated phenomenon. The usage of the term hermaphrodite to describe intersex people is considered to be offensive, and it is also scientifically incorrect as hermaphrodism does not exist in humans.
Ovotesticular syndrome - Wikipedia
Differences in Sex Development (DSD)
Hermaphroditism, also referred to as intersex, is a condition in which there is a discrepancy between the external and internal sexual and genital organs. It is grouped together with other conditions as a disorder of sex development (DSD).
I think intersex conditions are now (usually) referred to as “pseudohermaphroditism” due to how specific scientists are about language and phenomenons
It is still a known phenomenon that humans are sometimes born with more than one set of genitals
Intersex is probably a more accurate term overall
The term “True hermaphroditism” came about because such a phenomenon did not result in humans being born with both outer and inner sex organs.
Which I guess is fair enough. To be truly hermaphroditic one would have to posses all the known sex organs. If you only have both outer sex organs I guess that doesn’t really count. It’s pseudohermaphroditism at best
But being born with both outer sex organs is a known phenomenon and actually does result in sex assignment surgery at birth, typically speaking. Fun fact
History of intersex surgery - Wikipedia
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Are these bans on Children? Or adults.
Thank you. That proves what I said.According to the FBI Crime stats, Blacks are over represented in every category except alcohol related offenses; to include 52% of murders, and 56% of robberies (more than all other races combined) while only representing 12.5% of the population
Table 43
ucr.fbi.gov
In the U.S. Black people do get arrested and convicted at a much higher rate than white people. But I am still not convinced they commit more crime.
Patrick66
Member
A defect or anomaly doesn't change what they actually are.
Do you believe that a person born with 6 fingers is a new species?