Actually age is as well; we have teenagers, adolescents, adults, these are socially defined categories.
Name a time and culture when society claimed men can have babies.
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Students Are Pushing Back Against Gender Ideology In Their Schools
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When I asked you what is a woman, you refused to give an objective difference. In your view, is the only difference between a man vs woman their thoughts? Or is it more than that.
you are likely talking about someone else.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Cool. Then I will save my remark the next time whoever it was says that again.
I actually read about a culture where they did not believe men had any role in reproduction at all. It was a long time ago (I was in university), so don't ask. But they apparently did not believe there was any connection between sex (I mean the act of having sex) and pregnancy.
Just a little interesting trivia.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Yes and no. An easy example is the concept of adolence. 13 years olds have always been 13 year olds, but in times past they were considered grown men and women. They sometimes even led kingdoms. But today we have come to accept a period of time where we transition from childhood to adulthood.
I can also use my life, where I have been put in multiple different generations and look young enough people tend to expect certain things from me and get confused amd surprised when acting my age, such as how my liking of Grunge and 80s Synthpop getting more confusion from people than anything else despite those genres being highly popular genres of the radio as I was growing up. But to a younger crowd I'm an old lady when I saw I'm from the Cold War amd remember it's later years.
Yeah, there is definitely a social construct behind age even if there is a chronological factor behind it.
There have even been some cultures that might have described someone who we would say is 13 as being 156, or older.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Magical thinking always makes things better, eh?
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
To be clear, I was referring to numerical age, not age of consent, etc.. The example being given was specifically someone claiming to be 12 years old.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
No I didn't. I said a woman is someone who identifies as a woman. That is objectively different to someone who identifies as a man.
No, their identity.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Health care for legitimate treatment of transgender individuals is being banned in some states, and we both know it, even though you choose to hide that knowledge behind a wall of obfuscation. The reasons for the bans are political, not medical, but usually the impetus for restrictions comes from medical professionals themselves, not political partisans engaged in a culture war. In authoritarian countries, of course, political bans of the sort under discussion are more common, and that seems to be the direction that the GOP is taking us in. Restrictions and bans on transgender care go hand in hand with forcing women to carry unwanted or dangerous pregnancies to term. Nobody is pretending that the care is noncontroversial politically. Quite the opposite. That is the reason why these laws are being imposed on targeted groups of people.
I don't really have time to continuing pursuing these questions, but I know that you have difficulty using search engines like Google. I think it's easy, but I've had lots of practice with the internet. Here is just one result that I found for you:
States That Have Restricted Gender-Affirming Care for Trans Youth in 2023
I can't vouch for the accuracy of everything it says, but it does contain a list of states (the usual suspects) and details on their actions.
Here is some information on the nature of gender-affirming care. Please don't ask me to keep doing homework assignments for you.
Get the Facts on Gender-Affirming Care
Is there any evidence that could convince you that they do? If so, what?
I don't think so. It is hard to prove such a thing. Which is why I remain skeptical.
No; they are different sex.
To identify as a woman is based on subjectivity, not objectivity.
Your identity is based on your thoughts.
I noticed the list of States you provided ban trans care (which includes surgery) for minors. A lot of people have no problem with adults receiving such care, but such care on children is where they draw the line. I know you don’t like it, and a lot of other people don’t like it, but a lot of people do agree with this
My point is, everybody agrees on it, it is an objective measure for a year; we don't have people making up their own timescale for a year.
No; everybody agrees on when leap years are.
Restating it doesn't make it true. Not only have there been active debates about changing leap years (and the already changed leap years) in Gregorian calendars, (even some fighting about how religious influence to keep the spring equinox and easter the same dates corrupted the long term accuracy) but also other calendars which would displace leap years alltogether.
My point is that attempting to get only hard line single definitions is worthless as it intentionally or unintentionally ignores nuance for brevity. Aka reductionism.