Students Are Pushing Back Against Gender Ideology In Their Schools

[Kfox]

This isn't the gotcha question you think it is. Mercury Stardust on TikTok

For the same reason you have no rigid definition of what a year is, because a trip of the Earth around the sun is fundamentally incorrect, with several notable exceptions due to physics, history and culture which changed how a calendar year works beyond a simple definition.

A year is 365 days. Are there exceptions? Yes; those are called leap years. But everybody agrees on the 365 number, and everybody agree on when we have the leap year. Its not like people decide for themselves how many days are in a year, there are objective measures in place for how long a year is. I’m saying there needs to be objective measures in place in defining a woman, otherwise the definition of a woman becomes meaningless.

 

[Kfox]

That's nonsense, and completely ignorant of basic observation. Women and men both expell gas and waste at similar rates, and yet the social expectations of men and women with regards to expelling gas and using the restroom are WILDLY different.

How are they different?

That's a designation, not a social reference like a pronoun.

In this case, how is a designation different from a social reference?

Also note how you said you have been called a "black MAN". Notice that second word? I'm willing to bet you have relatively rarely been called "a black", but I am fairly certain you are almost always referred to as "a black MAN" or even just "a MAN".

You said we don’t refer to people according to their race, I was just pointing out that we do.

And have you considered WHY that might be?

It's because, socially speaking, gender is a far more pervasive distinction than race. At the very least, currently.

Perhaps to you, but there are a lot of people who see race as far more important than gender.

Yes, we do. They're just not as ingrained or pervasive. People do have associations and archetypes based on expectations of race.

Those are called bigots! Those people are condemned by society; the same should be for those who do it for gender.

We don't have a parade every year in my city for people who like baked potatoes, either. Does that mean that people who like baked potatoes are socially stigmatised more than gay people, because gay pride parades happen?

Do you seriously believe those "men wearing dresses" haven't experienced severe abuse? What's the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to a black person you know who voted for Trump as a direct result of their voting for Trump? Because I guarantee, whatever it is, I can trump it EASILY by referring to the life of almost any trans or non-gender confirming person I know.

Are you speaking for all US cities? Or just the ones you are familiar with.

I will have to respond to the rest later.

 

[Patrick66]

While we're teaching LGBT theology to students, is it also ok if we teach them about Jesus?

 

[Patrick66]

Does this scream "oppressed and marginalized"?

 

[metis]

In the U.S. Black people do get arrested and convicted at a much higher rate than white people. But I am not convinced they commit more crime.

According to the FBI Crime stats, Blacks are over represented in every category except alcohol related offenses; to include 52% of murders, and 56% of robberies (more than all other races combined) while only representing 12.5% of the population

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ucr.fbi.gov

Economic status and living location are much greater factors than race.

 

[metis]

A male is always a male and a female is always a female. That cannot be changed.

Hormones, not "the equipment", is the driving source of sexual attraction.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Aren't those more of a study rather than an actual scientific theory?

They are interdisciplinary sciences that study the effects of drugs on the central nervous system and the brain and their effects on the mind, mental health, behaviours and cognitive functions. They draw knowledge from multiple academic disciplines like neuroscience, sociology, psychology and anthropology.

The point is that there are many academic fields of science that psychologists have to draw from.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Men and women are different too! Why are you pretending you don't already understand this?

They're not different species though, are they?

 

[Patrick66]

Hormones, not "the equipment", is the driving source of sexual attraction.

Please disregard everything I have ever written here. I was CLEARLY in the wrong about everything.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Speak of the devil!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1681129460999790592

 

[SkepticThinker]

Please disregard everything I have ever written here. I was CLEARLY in the wrong about everything.

Agreed.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

How are they different?

Do I really have to explain something as basic as we have different expectations when it comes to men or women passing gas or using restrooms? You seriously have never encountered that?

In this case, how is a designation different from a social reference?

In the sense that we people call you "he" they are referring to you with association to a characteristic, not describing you in the same way that someone would when they refer to you as a "black man".

You said we don’t refer to people according to their race, I was just pointing out that we do.

No, we don't. We can DESCRIBE someone according to their race, but we don't refer to people exclusively via there race. There are no pronouns for black or white people.

Perhaps to you, but there are a lot of people who see race as far more important than gender.

I don't care. Society clearly has far more delineation between gender than between race. Those people would be deluded to disagree.

Those are called bigots!

No, they're not always. People talk about identified racial characteristics all the time and are not always called bigots. It makes up a huge proportion of black stand up comedy.

Those people are condemned by society; the same should be for those who do it for gender.

Except they aren't. The idea that men should not wear dresses is, according to your standard, bigotry. But that bigotry is very, very widely accepted.

Are you speaking for all US cities? Or just the ones you are familiar with.

I'm speaking broadly. I don't care about your example of an exception. If you don't think gay or trans people face more abuse and discrimination than black Trump voters you are just objectively and obviously wrong.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

How are they different?

Do I really have to explain something as basic as we have different expectations when it comes to men or women passing gas or using restrooms? You seriously have never encountered that?

In this case, how is a designation different from a social reference?

In the sense that we people call you "he" they are referring to you with association to a characteristic, not describing you in the same way that someone would when they refer to you as a "black man".

You said we don’t refer to people according to their race, I was just pointing out that we do.

No, we don't. We can DESCRIBE someone according to their race, but we don't refer to people exclusively via there race. There are no pronouns for black or white people.

Perhaps to you, but there are a lot of people who see race as far more important than gender.

I don't care. Society clearly has far more delineation between gender than between race. Those people would be deluded to disagree.

Those are called bigots!

No, they're not always. People talk about identified racial characteristics all the time and are not always called bigots. It makes up a huge proportion of black stand up comedy.

Those people are condemned by society; the same should be for those who do it for gender.

Except they aren't. The idea that men should not wear dresses is, according to your standard, bigotry. But that bigotry is very, very widely accepted.

Are you speaking for all US cities? Or just the ones you are familiar with.

I'm speaking broadly. I don't care about your example of an exception. If you don't think gay or trans people face more abuse and discrimination than black Trump voters you are just objectively and obviously wrong.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

A year is 365 days. Are there exceptions? Yes; those are called leap years. But everybody agrees on the 365 number, and everybody agree on when we have the leap year. Its not like people decide for themselves how many days are in a year, there are objective measures in place for how long a year is. I’m saying there needs to be objective measures in place in defining a woman, otherwise the definition of a woman becomes meaningless.

We actually don't all agree on when leap years should be, and there's some shenanigans with years indivisible by 100, skipped years or added seconds, pushes to remove leap years entirely, and alternatives to Gregorian calendars which don't read the same, sometimes divided by location, culture or religion. There is no single unifying authority because there is no single unifying experience. A year is 365 days only as a generalization which is not always true.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Are these bans on Children? Or adults.

Both. Not that banning children from access to GAC is at all reasonable either.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't care. Society clearly has far more delineation between gender than between race. Those people would be deluded to disagree.

That depends on the society. I grew up in a racist one, that's also pretty misogynist. I'd say race is close enoughto the same occurrence because with that one raciat uppity, white women can get their stabs in.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

A year is 365 days. Are there exceptions? Yes; those are called leap years. But everybody agrees on the 365 number, and everybody agree on when we have the leap year. Its not like people decide for themselves how many days are in a year, there are objective measures in place for how long a year is. I’m saying there needs to be objective measures in place in defining a woman, otherwise the definition of a woman becomes meaningless.

It's closer to 365 1/4, with leap years (and some more) beong necessary to correct for the inaccuracies of a 24 hour day.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

While we're teaching LGBT theology to students, is it also ok if we teach them about Jesus?

LGBT theology? Who is worshipped? What is the god or gods? What rituals and sacres laws are there?
Heil Gay Demon!

 

[fantome profane]

A year is 365 days. Are there exceptions? Yes;

Great analogy. And wouldn't it be really silly of someone to object to leap years? How ridiculous would it be if someone were to refuse to accept a year with 366 days? Can you imagine someone being so stupid to argue just because something is unusual it is wrong. Can you imagine someone protesting with signs that say "Science says there are only 365 days. Trust the science"

Good thing we don't have people who are that stupid.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Actually we do. I’ve been called a black man many times.

I wamt to make sure I have poster's and what they said lined uo correctly before I say this:
Are you the one who said or asked something about claiming to be a black man? Someone did failry recently but it's been just long ago enough that I've haven't found the post in question yet.