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Students Are Pushing Back Against Gender Ideology In Their Schools

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
a person looks like a male, but identifies as female, I address them as male because that is how they appear.
Which is really rude because some women, who were born as women, look more masculine than feminine and vice versa.
I hope it's on video if you ever get whomped for such rudeness so I can laugh at it.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
I address people according to how they appear. Gender is not always about how a person appears. If a person looks like a male, but identifies as female, I address them as male because that is how they appear.
I know a couple of (biological) women who might give one a slap if they dared to address them as male, simply because they appear to be masculine. For any number of reasons.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Which is really rude because some women, who were born as women, look more masculine than feminine and vice versa.
I hope it's on video if you ever get whomped for such rudeness so I can laugh at it.
Any woman who looks like a man will be used to being mistaken for a man because that is how things work in the real world. Nearly everybody address you accord to how you look. That’s not being rude, that’s called normal. How many people upon first meeting you ask if you are male or female? I will bet you nobody does that.
I pity the fool who assaults me for mistaking them for what they appear to be; I guarantee you; when I get done with them it will be the last time they feel free to assault someone for making such a mistake.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
I know a couple of (biological) women who might give one a slap if they dared to address them as male, simply because they appear to be masculine. For any number of reasons.
Any woman who looks like a man will be used to being mistaken for a man because that is how things work in the real world. Nearly everybody address you accord to how you look. That’s not being rude, that’s called normal. How many people upon first meeting you ask if you are male or female? I will bet you nobody does that.
I pity the fool who assaults me for mistaking them for what they appear to be; I guarantee you; when I get done with them it will be the last time they feel free to assault someone for making such a mistake.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
For me there is no difference, but for you there is a difference; so as far as you are concerned, I address people according to their biology, not their gender.
You've just demonstrated that you judge people based on their gender.
No, you said judging; not addressing.
Same thing in this context. You're making a judgment call when you're addressing a person.
I address people according to how they appear.
That's called gender expression.
Gender is not always about how a person appears. If a person looks like a male, but identifies as female, I address them as male because that is how they appear.
This is kinda vague. I mean, using this criteria you'd be referring to my mother-in-law as a man, which she definitely does not identify herself as.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Any woman who looks like a man will be used to being mistaken for a man because that is how things work in the real world. Nearly everybody address you accord to how you look. That’s not being rude, that’s called normal. How many people upon first meeting you ask if you are male or female? I will bet you nobody does that.
Nobody gets used to deliberate insults from self assured wankers. Most people aren't as rude as you, and they don't resort to a line often heard from bigots. (like referring to black men as boy and everyone just being used to it doing it that way)
And, no, people usually don't do that to me. They just say ma'am or miss. Which is also the point.
I pity the fool who assaults me for mistaking them for what they appear to be; I guarantee you; when I get done with them it will be the last time they feel free to assault someone for making such a mistake.
Running your mouth like every other tough guy talker I've known and doing it on the internet? I doubt it.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Any woman who looks like a man will be used to being mistaken for a man because that is how things work in the real world. Nearly everybody address you accord to how you look. That’s not being rude, that’s called normal. How many people upon first meeting you ask if you are male or female? I will bet you nobody does that.

This is EXACTLY THE REASON WHY GENDER IS USEFUL BEING SEPARATED FROM BIOLOGY AS A SOCIAL CONSTRUCT!

Phew...sorry about that. Got excited. :)

I pity the fool who assaults me for mistaking them for what they appear to be; I guarantee you; when I get done with them it will be the last time they feel free to assault someone for making such a mistake.

Alrighty then...
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Any woman who looks like a man will be used to being mistaken for a man because that is how things work in the real world. Nearly everybody address you accord to how you look. That’s not being rude, that’s called normal. How many people upon first meeting you ask if you are male or female? I will bet you nobody does that.
I pity the fool who assaults me for mistaking them for what they appear to be; I guarantee you; when I get done with them it will be the last time they feel free to assault someone for making such a mistake.
I got asked all the time growing up, since I was and still am a tomboy.
People were usually quick to adjust their responses and how they addressed me because it’s considered polite to refer to a person by what makes them feel happy. At least where I live.
It’s also considered to be beyond rude to antagonise another person just for their looks like some schoolyard bully, where I live. Like calling another person some variation of “sir” after they’ve corrected you would be considered very rude where I live.
Most people in my neighbourhood grew out of that “judge a book by its cover” mentality post late primary school (middle school for you Americans.)
And it’s not like I came from some affluent part of town either.

Normalising that kind of behaviour to the point where one can simply brush off such shallow judgments made about another person based on first impressions alone says a lot about a society, imo.
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
Do you know the difference between addressing someone according to their gender vs their sexual biology? Do you understand the difference?

No I wasn't judging anybody, I was addressing them according to what I assume their DNA and chromosomes are.
And what observations do you base that assumption on?
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
You've just demonstrated that you judge people based on their gender.
No, I address (not judge) people based on my definition of gender which is the same as biology.
Same thing in this context. You're making a judgment call when you're addressing a person.
No; words have meaning. To say I judge people based on their gender gives the wrong impression of what I am doing. I am not going to let you get away with giving this false impression, I will continue to correct you when you make this mistake.
That's called gender expression.
What about the lesbian woman who wears men’s clothes, and a male haircut? Which gender is she expressing?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
Running your mouth like every other tough guy talker I've known and doing it on the internet? I doubt it.
Actually, he has a point there. No one has the right to assault someone over words. That certainly wouldn't hold up in any court. If he did get assaulted over it, he has the right to defend himself.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
I got asked all the time growing up, since I was and still am a tomboy.
People were usually quick to adjust their responses and how they addressed me because it’s considered polite to refer to a person by what makes them feel happy. At least where I live.
It’s like that where I live as well. There has been occasions when I’ve gone to public mens room, and the person in there looks like a lesbian wearing mens clothes and a man’s haircut. I ask if this is the mens room, and he assured me he was a man. I assumed he was and did my business. Now if this guy attacked me for originally mistaking him for a woman, it’s on!
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
How does separating gender from biology prevent strangers from addressing people who look like men, as men?

Appearance, while related to biology (but not entirely) is intricately linked with our social experience. Consider how clothing, makeup, hair, and jewelry has played a major part in gender expression and how we relate to this.

It may not prevent such incidents as misgendering, but it's useful in that it helps us understand and respect folks whose appearance or history may not match how people address them.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Actually, he has a point there. No one has the right to assault someone over words. That certainly wouldn't hold up in any court. If he did get assaulted over it, he has the right to defend himself.
That's true, but it happens. And I own up to being a bitter, misanthropic schadenfreude and that definitely being something I tend to find funny.
 

Kfox

Well-Known Member
Appearance, while related to biology (but not entirely) is intricately linked with our social experience. Consider how clothing, makeup, hair, and jewelry has played a major part in gender expression and how we relate to this.

It may not prevent such incidents as misgendering, but it's useful in that it helps us understand and respect folks whose appearance or history may not match how people address them.
So it doesn't really change anything.
 
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