Suppression of Free Speech on Covid

[SkepticThinker]

It's not a fact.
People can't directly observe the bulk effects of a disease, only the local effects.

It's a fact.

"The World Health Organization (WHO) on March 11, 2020, has declared the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak a global pandemic (1). "

WHO Declares COVID-19 a Pandemic - PubMed

The World Health Organization (WHO) on March 11, 2020, has declared the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) outbreak a global pandemic (1). At a news briefing , WHO Director-General, Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, noted that over the past 2 weeks, the number of cases outside China increased 13-fold...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Unfettered]

How many lives were saved by mask mandates? How many were saved by actual mask use? How many people didn't get sick (who otherwise would have) because of actual mask use? Not estimates. Actual data. Hard numbers.

I'll wait...

 

[Shadow Wolf]

X-RATED: At Hearing, Senator Reads Pornographic Excerpts From LGBT Books Targeted at Kids

Sen. Kennedy reads from pornographic "kids" books at a committee hearing amid debate on school boards removing such books from libraries.

www.dailysignal.com

I guess it also depends on what one considers to be porn.

PS There are many public examples like unto these.

It is entirely your fault if you think this is aimed at kids.

The book is described as a “young-adult memoir [that] weaves together the trials

Try again when you have something explicit that's actually intended for kids.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How many lives were saved by mask mandates? How many were saved by actual mask use? How many people didn't get sick (who otherwise would have) because of actual mask use? Not estimates. Actual data. Hard numbers.

I'll wait...

If you first explain why Christians, who are commanded and instructed to lov amd care for their neighbors, have been so hard set against a simple meams of reducing the spread of a deadly virus?
Do that and I'll furnigh the answer to your question.

 

[Kenny]

If you first explain why Christians, who are commanded and instructed to lov amd care for their neighbors, have been so hard set against a simple meams of reducing the spread of a deadly virus?
Do that and I'll furnigh the answer to your question.

Can you give me some stats on how much it reduced the spreading of the virus? (Viruses are free to roam anywhere it wants to)

 

[Revoltingest]

How many lives were saved by mask mandates? How many were saved by actual mask use? How many people didn't get sick (who otherwise would have) because of actual mask use? Not estimates. Actual data. Hard numbers.

I'll wait...

A Gish Gallop isn't an argument.
Have you tried searching for your answers from
appropriate sources, eg, Mayo Clinc, Johns Hopkins?

 

[metis]

Can you give me some stats on how much it reduced the spreading of the virus? (Viruses are free to roam anywhere it wants to)

That would be impossible to determine today, but what was tested for and found was that even the cheapest mask helps out at least a bit because it keeps one's breath more localized to the infected person.

 

[Kenny]

That would be impossible to determine,

EXACTLY, Metis! That is my point to her statement.

 

[metis]

EXACTLY, Metis! That is my point to her statement.

But that's not the important thing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

How many lives were saved by mask mandates? How many were saved by actual mask use? How many people didn't get sick (who otherwise would have) because of actual mask use? Not estimates. Actual data. Hard numbers.

I'll wait...

That is a hypocritical demand. That is a question that can only be answered with estimates.

 

[Subduction Zone]

EXACTLY, Metis! That is my point to her statement.

You ignored the important part of his answer.

 

[Unfettered]

A Gish Gallop isn't an argument.
Have you tried searching for your answers from
appropriate sources, eg, Mayo Clinc, Johns Hopkins?

Has Johns Hopkins beeng tracking these things, and are they still? On what level? (eg, in-office, in-network, community, city, county, state, nation, continent, globe)

This isn't a Gish Gallop. I'm asking for actual answers. And since this is an online discussion forum, there is no expiration date on when someone may answer. So I'll wait...

 

[Revoltingest]

Has Johns Hopkins beeng tracking these things, and are they still? On what level? (eg, in-office, in-network, community, city, county, state, nation, continent, globe)

Once again, posing questions as though
they're an argument is unconvincing.
I recommend reading about the results
of epidemiological research. It shows
efficacy of the various mitigation measures.

 

[Unfettered]

Once again, posing questions as though
they're an argument is unconvincing.
I recommend reading about the results
of epidemiological research. It shows
efficacy of the various mitigation measures.

Thank you. I appreciate that. Again, I'm looking for actual answers. And time isn't an issue. So not Gish Gallop.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Can you give me some stats on how much it reduced the spreading of the virus? (Viruses are free to roam anywhere it wants to)

It's not free to roam whereever when you cover the orifices that blows out of.
Hiw much did it reduce the spread? Lets compare America's at best half asses response compared to countries who took it seriously. Notice how they got sick way less often, had fewer crowded emergency room, fewer deaths amd came out of out before we did?

 

[Kenny]

It's not free to roam whereever when you cover the orifices that blows out of.
Hiw much did it reduce the spread? Lets compare America's at best half asses response compared to countries who took it seriously. Notice how they got sick way less often, had fewer crowded emergency room, fewer deaths amd came out of out before we did?

Look at the rates of contraction:

Totals for the US

Daily totals for all metrics collected from January 2020 to the present.

covidtracking.com

It increased and held steady at 28,000,000 - it didn't stop it... it just flattened the curve. It doesn't stop people from getting it, it just takes longer as people go about their business and eventually have to face contraction.

Today it is like a flu...

COVID-19 symptoms now similar to allergies, cold or flu - UPI.com

Symptoms of mild COVID-19 infection have shifted this season, and now are more akin to those of allergies and the common cold, doctors say.

www.upi.com

The rampant, promulgated and stark fear created more problems than solutions.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Look at the rates of contraction:

Totals for the US

Daily totals for all metrics collected from January 2020 to the present.

covidtracking.com

It increased and held steady at 28,000,000 - it didn't stop it... it just flattened the curve. It doesn't stop people from getting it, it just takes longer as people go about their business and eventually have to face contraction.

Today it is like a flu...

COVID-19 symptoms now similar to allergies, cold or flu - UPI.com

Symptoms of mild COVID-19 infection have shifted this season, and now are more akin to those of allergies and the common cold, doctors say.

www.upi.com

The rampant, promulgated and stark fear created more problems than solutions.

If you ever listened to those advocating masks that was what they were supposed to do. They were supposed to flatten the curve. And masks did that. The problem is that an amazing number of people still do no know the purpose of wearing a mask to this day. I sometimes wonder if people are being stupid on purpose. A mask is not worn for one's own personal protection. Surgeons are not afraid of picking up a mystery disease when they cut someone open. Masks are worn for the protection of others.

Did you forget what happened in parts of Europe, and New York City for that matter? No protection and high population concentrations resulted in hospitals being overwhelmed. Many people died that would not have died with proper care. We had time to flatten the curve for the rest of the US. Yes, people still got sick, but not at nearly anywhere those early rates.

One of the things that made covid so virulent is its long incubation period during a significant part of which the person with covid is contagious but asymptomatic. Masks can slow down the spread of the disease during this time. The person wears the mask not because he may catch covid without it. But because that person may be infected and not realize it yet.

Are they perfect? No one ever said that they were. Why does something have to be perfect to be used? Nothing is perfect.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Look at the rates of contraction:

Totals for the US

Daily totals for all metrics collected from January 2020 to the present.

covidtracking.com

It increased and held steady at 28,000,000 - it didn't stop it... it just flattened the curve. It doesn't stop people from getting it, it just takes longer as people go about their business and eventually have to face contraction.

Today it is like a flu...

COVID-19 symptoms now similar to allergies, cold or flu - UPI.com

Symptoms of mild COVID-19 infection have shifted this season, and now are more akin to those of allergies and the common cold, doctors say.

www.upi.com

The rampant, promulgated and stark fear created more problems than solutions.

Yeah, ignore tye rest of the world and how America had a very poor response amd complaince when I bring it up. You have to because including the rest of the world, especially countries that took it seriously, makes your claim crumble.

 

[Ebionite]

Studies to the contrary of the efficacy mask type don't trump a meta analysis on overall mask usage of whatever type.

Your "gold standard" is crap. You can't avoid the placebo effect with a mask study.

 

[The Hammer]

Your "gold standard" is crap. You can't avoid the placebo effect with a mask study.

I might believe you when you study epidemiology, statistics, and the placebo effect.

Have an informative day friend.