Tampons too "woke" for conservatives.

[SomeRandom]

It isn't clear what you mean by "duty of care". If that means providing health care, then, no, actually. Schools don't have any such obligation. They have a duty to provide a safe environment. Schools would be quite liable if they presumed to provide health care.

Duty of care means that all students can go home safely in one piece. Not really happening if you’re bleeding through your drawers uncontrollably, if I’m honest.
Don’t know if your aware of this thing called standard hygienic standards?????

Since you don't even live in the US it is curious why you would presume to tell Americans how to run things.

To be fair, the states have done that on the world stage for like a century.
Also since we consistently outrank you in terms of various beneficial outcomes to citizens overall, maybe you should start listening to us. Just saying
(I’m having a bit of a go here. But still. Americans have no issues with telling me how my country should run. Never have, seemingly )

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your reasoning is... Why shouldn't they? That isn't persuasive. Remember you are talking about taking money from the public.

Maybe someone else should bear the costs. How about the parents perhaps? Shocking concept, I know! But historically the parents have done so. Or the costs could be covered by a grant. Or maybe the tampon companies could simply donate the supplies. Or concerned citizens could organize a non-profits to cover the costs. Or citizens could just donate the funds voluntarily. Or some other way I haven't brought up. No, please don't argue the merits of any of these alternatives since the point is there are other possible funding mechanisms that could be considered. Alternate funding is used for other "needs" at schools, so, to paraphrase you, Why shouldn't this?

Thank you for another fractally wrong post. So it appears by this post that you agree with my assessment.

 

[Shaul]

Because "alternate funding" is just another phrase stating some schools are allowed to be poorer financially than others, because reasons, forcing them to sell additional products and services to be able to afford things (like fundraisers, and bake sales for instance).

Make em free. We got free tampons and condoms in the military funded by taxpayers, give students this bone.

No alternate funding is not another way of saying those things at all. It is saying that voluntary or free market solutions should be considered and are quite often more cost effective. It is certainly true that they are not as coercive and potentially abusive as government run "solutions".

But as far as making them free, go for it. Feel free to supply all the tampons you want, if you use your own funds.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No alternate funding is not another way of saying those things at all. It is saying that voluntary or free market solutions should be considered and are quite often more cost effective. It is certainly true that they are not as coercive and potentially abusive as government run "solutions".

But as far as making them free, go for it. Feel free to supply all the tampons you want, if you use your own funds.

A mature adult realizes that sometimes "socialism" is the correct answer. Why are you not advocating that people pay for their own police protection? Are you worried about battling law enforcement agencies? I would be. There are simply times that it makes far more economic sense for the government to do certain jobs.

 

[Shaul]

Duty of care means that all students can go home safely in one piece. Not really happening if you’re bleeding through your drawers uncontrollably, if I’m honest.

To be fair, the states have done that on the world stage for like a century.
Also since we consistently outrank you in terms of various beneficial outcomes to citizens overall, maybe you should start listening to us. Just saying
(I’m having a bit of a go here. But still. Americans have no issues with telling me how my country should run. Never have, seemingly )

Um, if that is the definition of "duty of care" that you are using then, no, schools don't need to follow your ill-defined idea.
You are really arguing that education scores differ because of whether tampons are available? If that is your reasoning, and you are an example of a product of your vaunted Australian education system, then maybe we better re-check those supposed education results.

I had chatgpt produce the following. just for you:

explain why US education standings internationally are misleading

The United States education standings internationally can be misleading for several reasons. Here are some of them:

1. Different assessment methods: Education rankings are often based on standardized tests such as the Program for International Student Assessment (PISA), which assesses student performance in reading, mathematics, and science. However, these tests may not accurately reflect the quality of education in different countries, as they are often designed to measure specific skills and may not reflect the broader curriculum. Furthermore, different countries may use different assessment methods, making it difficult to compare educational outcomes accurately.
2. Socioeconomic factors: Education rankings do not take into account socioeconomic factors that can impact student performance, such as poverty and income inequality. Students from disadvantaged backgrounds may have lower test scores than their peers from more affluent families, which can skew the overall rankings of a country's education system.
3. Cultural differences: Education systems can be influenced by cultural factors such as attitudes towards education and academic achievement. In some cultures, academic achievement is highly valued and prioritized, leading to higher test scores and rankings. In other cultures, other factors such as practical skills or creativity may be prioritized over academic performance, leading to lower test scores.
4. Variations within countries: Education systems can vary significantly within a country. For example, a country may have high-performing schools in certain areas but low-performing schools in others. Rankings that are based on national averages may not accurately reflect the quality of education in specific regions or schools.

Overall, while education rankings can provide a broad overview of a country's education system, they should be interpreted with caution as they can be influenced by a range of factors that may not accurately reflect the quality of education in a given country.

 

[SomeRandom]

Um, if that is the definition of "duty of care" that you are using then, no, schools don't need to follow your ill-defined idea.
You are really arguing that education scores differ because of whether tampons are available? If that is your reasoning, and you are an example of a product of your vaunted Australian education system, then maybe we better re-check those supposed education results.

I had chatgpt produce the following. just for you:

explain why US education standings internationally are misleading

The United States education standings internationally can be misleading for several reasons. Here are some of them:

1. Different assessment methods: Education rankings are often based on standardized tests such as the Program for International Student Assessment (PISA), which assesses student performance in reading, mathematics, and science. However, these tests may not accurately reflect the quality of education in different countries, as they are often designed to measure specific skills and may not reflect the broader curriculum. Furthermore, different countries may use different assessment methods, making it difficult to compare educational outcomes accurately.
2. Socioeconomic factors: Education rankings do not take into account socioeconomic factors that can impact student performance, such as poverty and income inequality. Students from disadvantaged backgrounds may have lower test scores than their peers from more affluent families, which can skew the overall rankings of a country's education system.
3. Cultural differences: Education systems can be influenced by cultural factors such as attitudes towards education and academic achievement. In some cultures, academic achievement is highly valued and prioritized, leading to higher test scores and rankings. In other cultures, other factors such as practical skills or creativity may be prioritized over academic performance, leading to lower test scores.
4. Variations within countries: Education systems can vary significantly within a country. For example, a country may have high-performing schools in certain areas but low-performing schools in others. Rankings that are based on national averages may not accurately reflect the quality of education in specific regions or schools.

Overall, while education rankings can provide a broad overview of a country's education system, they should be interpreted with caution as they can be influenced by a range of factors that may not accurately reflect the quality of education in a given country.

I was talking about health outcomes, admittedly rather tongue in cheek, honestly
I can see why you would think I was referring to education outcomes, given the context of this thread
I have no issue with saying that our schooling sucks

But regardless. If you’re having kids miss class due to having none to little access to health care products, such as tampons, I’ll wager that might have an impact on such data. Just saying
Do you want kids to be missing class when they otherwise could attend easily enough if given a tampon?

 

[Stonetree]

It happened here sometime ago. I said urinals do not make a restroom unisex and men don't have to have one and can pee in the same toilet women do. It's a toilet, it works for both. A urinal doesn't.
And then a herd of members (you can probably think of some of them just reading this thread), all men, got their panties in a wad and started acting like a bunch of whiney *****es and were screaming I hate men, don't care about men's issues, and the stupidity even included this moronic claim I'm trying to make men like women.

They were just afraid John Belushi would resurrect and use that toilet.....

 

[Shaul]

I was talking about health outcomes, admittedly rather tongue in cheek, honestly
I can see why you would think I was referring to education outcomes, given the context of this thread

But regardless. If you’re having kids miss class due to having none to little access to health care products, such as tampons, I’ll wager that might have an impact on such data. Just saying

Well, just for the record, and to the best of my knowledge, the total number of US students last year that died because their school didn't provide them with tampons was....
zero.

I'll even go out on a limb here and suggest the zero have died due this that over the last decade.

 

[SomeRandom]

Well, just for the record, and to the best of my knowledge, the total number of US students last year that died because their school didn't provide them with tampons was....
zero.

I'll even go out on a limb here and suggest the zero have died due this that over the last decade.

But they are apparently missing class when they could have attended otherwise, very easily if given one tiny little tampon. Could this not been seen as an investment in the future?

 

[Shaul]

But they are apparently missing class when they could have attended otherwise, very easily if given one tiny little tampon. Could this not been seen as an investment in the future?

Well, golly, maybe we can figure out some way to avoid that. How about this. The parents of every student that has a cell phone provide their "lil darlings" with the tampons they might need. Surely if the parents can afford to give them a cell phone they could provide them with tampons. Since about 99% of students that might need a tampon have a cell phone, that should cut way down on the problem.

 

[SomeRandom]

Well, golly, maybe we can figure out some way to avoid that. How about this. The parents of every student that has a cell phone provide their "lil darlings" with the tampons they might need. Surely if the parents can afford to give them a cell phone they could provide them with tampons. Since about 99% of students that might need a tampon have a cell phone, that should cut way down on the problem.

Whilst I think that would be optimal
Let’s be real here. Parents are struggling to put food on the table. Do you honestly think they can afford highly taxed products like tampons?
Besides, like I said.
Provide this little option, which won’t break the bank of your government (if it does, then damn you guys are poorer than third world nations) and you invest in the next generation going to class and earning more for the economy. How awful amirite?

 

[crossfire]

They might have meant it but they definitely should have made it clear. And I know that it can be a pain to have to carry such products, but 3/4 of the girls found themselves without tampons or pads and could not get any when needed? I find that hard to believe too.

When you are young, your period is very often irregular and unpredictable, making it difficult to plan for. Girls are also starting to menstruate at younger ages--10% of girls have menarche before age 10, and more than half before age 12. When you need the supplies, you need the supplies, and it is a difficult thing for youngsters to plan ahead and be prepared for. Having the supplies readily available will help keep school attendance steady.

Look at it from a business perspective: at work, we keep a supply of menstrual products in the women's bathroom so people don't have to leave work due to a lack of having them available, just as we keep a supply of headache medicines and various first aid supplies for the same reason. We don't need a drop in productivity when the solution is so simple and cost-effective as compared to what the loss of productivity might cost.

 

[Shaul]

Whilst I think that would be optimal
Let’s be real here. Parents are struggling to put food on the table. Do you honestly think they can afford highly taxed products like tampons?
Besides, like I said.
Provide this little option, which won’t break the bank of your government (if it does, then damn you guys are poorer than third world nations) and you invest in the next generation going to class and earning more for the economy. How awful amirite?

I recently retired as a middle school/high school teacher. Every single student had a cell phone. And these students were mostly lower-income. If parents can afford cell phones for their children they can afford tampons. But, whatever. How about this instead. Someone at the school buy a box of tampons, put them somewhere the girls can discreetly take one on the honor system, and let's see if that works.

When I was a teacher I chipped in hundreds of dollars out of my own pocket for stuff without reimbursement. I think the staff of a school could find some way to get a few tampons. A box of tampons can be bought for less than $4. If both the family and the school can't come up with $4 then the issue isn't the tampons.

 

[SomeRandom]

I recently retired as a middle school/high school teacher. Every single student had a cell phone. And these students were mostly lower-income. If parents can afford cell phones for their children they can afford tampons. But, whatever. How about this instead. Someone at the school buy a box of tampons, put them somewhere the girls can discreetly take one on the honor system, and let's see if that works.

When I was a teacher I chipped in hundreds of dollars out of my own pocket for stuff without reimbursement. I think the staff of a school could find some way to get a few tampons. A box of tampons can be bought for less than $4. If both the family and the school can't come up with $4 then the issue isn't the tampons.

Whilst I have no issue with that. I see it as the responsibility of the government overall to provide such products. But whatever

Cell phones as you Americans call it, are unfortunately fast becoming a “need” in schooling systems.
My cousins are all teachers and they lament about this constantly to me. But with the internet being the way it is, and to boot needing a reliable way to “track” your kids in our society, it is absolutely a necessity in today’s day and age. Should parents be spending their money on other necessities instead, in my opinion?

Absolutely. No doubt about it

But that’s really none of my business. I sincerely don’t care if a child from a billionaire family accesses free tampons in a school. Are there others who probably need it more? Sure.
But I’m not going to be a jerk and discriminate against a child from such a family taking advantage of such a program. That’s just a fact of life in such scenarios. Would you not agree?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Whilst I have no issue with that. I see it as the responsibility of the government overall to provide such products. But whatever

Cell phones as you Americans call it, are unfortunately fast becoming a “need” in schooling systems.
My cousins are all teachers and they lament about this constantly to me. But with the internet being the way it is, and to boot needing a reliable way to “track” your kids in our society, it is absolutely a necessity in today’s day and age. Should parents be spending their money on other necessities instead, in my opinion?

Absolutely. No doubt about it

But that’s really none of my business. I sincerely don’t care if a child from a billionaire family accesses free tampons in a school. Are there others who probably need it more? Sure.
But I’m not going to be a jerk and discriminate against a child from such a family taking advantage of such a program. That’s just a fact of life in such scenarios. Would you not agree?

There are programs for low income families. I know people on food stamps that get free phones. Th e problem with free phones is that they are no appreciated often. An individual person on food stamps qualifies for a free phone. I do not know the details for children:

Free Phones and Phone Service for Low-Income Families

Free phones and phone services are available to qualifying families through the Lifeline government assisted program. Learn what's available.

www.verywellfamily.com

 

[SomeRandom]

There are programs for low income families. I know people on food stamps that get free phones. Th e problem with free phones is that they are no appreciated often. An individual person on food stamps qualifies for a free phone. I do not know the details for children:

Free Phones and Phone Service for Low-Income Families

Free phones and phone services are available to qualifying families through the Lifeline government assisted program. Learn what's available.

www.verywellfamily.com

Interesting
I’d give you an informative frubal if I could

 

[Subduction Zone]

Interesting
I’d give you an informative frubal if I could

Okay that is just too creepy of a frubal. No more "loves".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

More like seeing the modern US liberal mindset of spend, spend, spend on "free" stuff for everybody all the time.

If such an essential need for about half the students isn't a good enough reason to spend a little money I'm inclined to agree with the claim of selfishness.

 

[JustGeorge]

I've often looked at her as a disappointingly honest and consistent poster. I have always assumed it's a ploy to make me feel bad, tbh.

I console myself at night by assuming her posting name comes from the fact that she's a 300lb trucker named George who has developed a carefully crafted alternative life he presents here to amuse himself whilst downing burgers at roadhouses on his long, lonely hauls.

Keep on truckin' Big George, keep on truckin'...

A winner frubal for you, sir.

Though, you have it backwards... that's who I'm aspiring to be...

These damned veggie burgers just don't seem to be sticking like I hoped. I'll keep eating, keep my driving record clear... and one day...

How weird. That is exactly how I imagine them to be. Smells of diesel.

If you didn't like it, you'd stop pulling my finger.

 

[Secret Chief]

If that means providing health care, then, no, actually.

Yes, actually, in my country. The perils of living in an authoritarian socialist country eh?