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[CG Didymus]

IMHO, prophecies are farce in Hinduism (in one Chapter of a nice old Bhavishya Purana even as late as the first quarter of 20th Century - mentioning Victoria Memorial in Kolkata) and in any other religion. It is just a way to fool people. Future cannot be known in this world of uncertainty, probability and chaos.

There was a thread where the Baha'is showed how the prophecies about Kalki also pointed to and were fulfilled by The Bab and/or Baha'u'llah. It is kind of strange that most of them point to The Bab in 1844 and not the main prophet, Baha'u'llah, in 1863.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Well, it seems you're seeing the Baha'i Faith on some spiritual level. If what you're seeing is all good, then fine. At the level I'm at, I'm seeing a religion that has a prophet that claims to have fulfilled every prophecy of every religion. I think that worth checking out.

But I'm not seeing it from some deep spiritual place. From where I'm at, things don't add up. Like to 1844. 2300 evening and mornings? 1844. 1260 days? 1844. 42 months? 1844. I think there's six different things, that start and stop at different times, yet all are made to start with the Hegira and end in 1844.

Maybe you focus on the wrong atea of Baha’i teaching.

 

[CG Didymus]

Hi CG How are you doing? Now Omicron has taken over here and soon we must get another booster shot. Finished my course so now I’m a qualified counsellor! Very happy about that.

About the time covid began I came across a prayer and it made me feel that I wanted to do what it said so now I’ve done that the feeling is awesome.

It goes like this..

O Lord, help Thou Thy loved ones to acquire knowledge and the sciences and arts….

And so that’s just what I did. So thanks to Baha’u’llah and Abdul-Baha’i loving encouragement, I finally am qualified and have a profession.

When I look back on 6 suicide attempts, all the drinking and hopelessness to now it’s just WOW! A stable 42 year marriage to a wonderful lady, a stable life and now a profession!
I was once an orphan who had lost all hope.

Now as to the return of Christ in 1844. I view the Manifestations as Baha’u’llah described Them as Suns of Truth. The Sun of Monday or Thursday or Saturday no matter which point of the horizon or at what time it rises is still the one sun. So the Manifestations are all revealing one Holy Spirit. The Bab’s life was very similar to Christ’s. Age and method of death and time midday etc.

While Baha’u’llah is referred to as the Father. He Himself says in a Tablet to the Christians ..’Lo! The Father is come’

So Christ returned and Christ returned in the ‘Glory of the Father’ seem to be two different things.

Not only the 1844 prophecies but the explosion of knowledge etc on the day the Bab proclaimed His Mission are way too coincidental for me to ignore.

For me however, apart from some compelling prophecies, which others may agree with or not, the greatest proof to me of the truth of the Prophethood of the Bab and Baha’u’llah, is the transforming effect They have had on my life.

All the major religions have this transformative effect on their followers because I believe they are all turning to God.

Anyway you take care and keep safe.

You're the best. Always love hearing from you.

 

[oldbadger]

It will stay harmless as long nobody damage it as they have done with other religions

It was damaged, CT, even as it was being written down.
If you want to live in a world with differing gender roles, death penalties, voting rights only for bahais, a religious police force and military and a male-only world government that believes it is guided by God, then good luck to you.

 

[Spirit of Light]

It was damaged, CT, even as it was being written down.
If you want to live in a world with differing gender roles, death penalties, voting rights only for bahais, a religious police force and military and a male-only world government that believes it is guided by God, then good luck to you.

That is humans idea, not by God.
And you missing the point of what spiritual practice is. It does not have anything to do about ruling others.

 

[oldbadger]

I hope it does grow, and then we'll see if they can deliver on the promises. But... I first heard about the Baha'is in the 70's. There was a whole generation seeking peace and some new spiritual path. I went with my Baha'i friends on "Mass Teaching Projects". They were trying to achieve "entry by troops". What happened? I wonder... Do they still do those things?

I was there, following my bahai fiance to events. I remember when a man stood up in a public meeting at Guildford Cathedral's meeting hall to ask difficult questions...he was asked to go outside to discuss these with a bahai. Nobody with complaint will be heard in a bahai world.
Outside that same meeting this man sat upon a wall, and as everybody walked past him he shook his head and said, 'They know not what they do'.

But I think there are just too many laws and rules, and with their administrative order? I could see the religion getting too conservative very easily.

The chairman of an English LSA confronted an LSA member for being gay and got that member voted off the assembly. The same chairman defamed a middle aged electrician for still being out on the tools when he was considered too old, obviously a loser for not having 'workmen' to do the lifting for him. Bigotry and prejudice was raising its head even back then. In a bahai world these monsters would rise....and rise.

 

[oldbadger]

That is humans idea, not by God.
And you missing the point of what spiritual practice is. It does not have anything to do about ruling others.

Then be spiritual! But Bahai is not .............. it is all about a World Order..... Order, CT!

 

[CG Didymus]

Maybe you focus on the wrong atea of Baha’i teaching.

I think that's a good idea for Baha'is too. Like the thread about what would be evidence for God and this one claiming some Christian preacher figured out when Christ would come back, and it happens to be the year The Bab declared? Amazing. But these threads are here. And this this thread, about this prophecy, I don't think is correct. But I don't think the JW's are correct. I don't think Mormons are correct. I don't think lots of religions that make lots of claims about Gods and prophets and about fulfilled prophecies are correct.

But if you say that there are good people, wise people, smart people in every one of those religions, I'd agree. But it doesn't mean I agree with what they believe. I think a great thread for a Baha'i to start to be, "How do we get beyond our own religious beliefs and learn to get along and to accept each other". Now can a Baha'i really mean that? Or, ultimately, because they believe that they have the newest message from God, that their beliefs are better than the beliefs of those in the different religions?

From that higher spiritual level, where all of us are one, I think they should be able to put even their own Baha'i beliefs as secondary for the sake of unity.

 

[CG Didymus]

I was there, following my bahai fiance to events. I remember when a man stood up in a public meeting at Guildford Cathedral's meeting hall to ask difficult questions...he was asked to go outside to discuss these with a bahai. Nobody with complaint will be heard in a bahai world.
Outside that same meeting this man sat upon a wall, and as everybody walked past him he shook his head and said, 'They know not what they do'.


The chairman of an English LSA confronted an LSA member for being gay and got that member voted off the assembly. The same chairman defamed a middle aged electrician for still being out on the tools when he was considered too old, obviously a loser for not having 'workmen' to do the lifting for him. Bigotry and prejudice was raising its head even back then. In a bahai world these monsters would rise....and rise.

Well, I think the world is getting to that place where things are getting bad enough to where if Baha'is can and are going to fix things, they better get to it. But really, an LSA running a town or city? An NSA running a country?

 

[rational experiences]

You ask a scientist just a man theist who invented earth sciences

Did CH gases in heavens go?

No.

So they stayed there?

Yes

What had gone?

Some mass of gases a body of.

How did you know,?

I invented science that changed earths heavens.

So I got returned advised when the mass increased. It returned by cooling status.

Does that make you special or just informed?

Reality you got informed.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Then be spiritual! But Bahai is not .............. it is all about a World Order..... Order, CT!

Agree to disagree

 

[TransmutingSoul]

But I'm not seeing it from some deep spiritual place. From where I'm at, things don't add up. Like to 1844. 2300 evening and mornings? 1844. 1260 days? 1844. 42 months? 1844. I think there's six different things, that start and stop at different times, yet all are made to start with the Hegira and end in 1844.

You are comparing two seperate prophecies. It has been offered that prophecy is not a chronological unfoldment.

The OT points to Jesus, Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah. BC457 is the Edict that is the starting point for the 69 & 70 week prophecies for Jesus as well as the 2300 year prophecy fo the Bab.

The OT also mentions the 1260 years.

The NT Revelation talks of the 1260years and points to Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah, it tells of the Muslim Empire.

1260 years is written a few ways, every way refers to 1260 years.

42 Months = 1260 years
Time, Times and half a time = 1260 years
3 1/2 years = 1260 years
1260 days = 1260 years

Regards Tony

 

[Spirit of Light]

I think that's a good idea for Baha'is too. Like the thread about what would be evidence for God and this one claiming some Christian preacher figured out when Christ would come back, and it happens to be the year The Bab declared? Amazing. But these threads are here. And this this thread, about this prophecy, I don't think is correct. But I don't think the JW's are correct. I don't think Mormons are correct. I don't think lots of religions that make lots of claims about Gods and prophets and about fulfilled prophecies are correct.

But if you say that there are good people, wise people, smart people in every one of those religions, I'd agree. But it doesn't mean I agree with what they believe. I think a great thread for a Baha'i to start to be, "How do we get beyond our own religious beliefs and learn to get along and to accept each other". Now can a Baha'i really mean that? Or, ultimately, because they believe that they have the newest message from God, that their beliefs are better than the beliefs of those in the different religions?

From that higher spiritual level, where all of us are one, I think they should be able to put even their own Baha'i beliefs as secondary for the sake of unity.

A great reply.
I will answer to the last paragraph.

Yes in the very end, just before a human being realize God in fullness from within, absolutely everything has to go. One giving up everything for the truth of God

 

[TransmutingSoul]

It was damaged, CT, even as it was being written down.
If you want to live in a world with differing gender roles, death penalties, voting rights only for bahais, a religious police force and military and a male-only world government that believes it is guided by God, then good luck to you.

That is not the Baha'i Faith OB, but we have told you and explained that before.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I think that's a good idea for Baha'is too. Like the thread about what would be evidence for God and this one claiming some Christian preacher figured out when Christ would come back, and it happens to be the year The Bab declared? Amazing. But these threads are here. And this this thread, about this prophecy, I don't think is correct. But I don't think the JW's are correct. I don't think Mormons are correct. I don't think lots of religions that make lots of claims about Gods and prophets and about fulfilled prophecies are correct.

But if you say that there are good people, wise people, smart people in every one of those religions, I'd agree. But it doesn't mean I agree with what they believe. I think a great thread for a Baha'i to start to be, "How do we get beyond our own religious beliefs and learn to get along and to accept each other". Now can a Baha'i really mean that? Or, ultimately, because they believe that they have the newest message from God, that their beliefs are better than the beliefs of those in the different religions?

From that higher spiritual level, where all of us are one, I think they should be able to put even their own Baha'i beliefs as secondary for the sake of unity.

Way to go CG.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

There was a thread where the Baha'is showed how the prophecies about Kalki also pointed to and were fulfilled by The Bab and/or Baha'u'llah. It is kind of strange that most of them point to The Bab in 1844 and not the main prophet, Baha'u'llah, in 1863.

We are being shown how there is no difference in the Messengers. The Day of God opened with the return of Elijah as Elijah always comes first.

The Message of Christ opened with John the Baptist.

Regards Tony

 

[oldbadger]

Well, I think the world is getting to that place where things are getting bad enough to where if Baha'is can and are going to fix things, they better get to it. But really, an LSA running a town or city? An NSA running a country?

Omg....! A governing NSA? I would need a rubber dinghy and an outboard.......how far is .....Iceland?

 

[oldbadger]

Agree to disagree

Teach me......
What is there about Baha'i that you recognise as spiritual?
??

 

[oldbadger]

That is not the Baha'i Faith OB, but we have told you and explained that before.

Regards Tony

It's all written down, TS.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Teach me......
What is there about Baha'i that you recognise as spiritual?
??

Their love and kindness toward others
Their understanding and view of God
Their acceptance of other faiths
Their personal practice ( individual)
A lot of their teaching is similar but not same as sufism

I have personally not had problem with Baha'i
But sometimes I have different understanding than example @Trailblazer