Ten Commandments

[psychoslice]

I simply pointed out that Buddhists fall into the same trap, no commandments the further along you get, you seemed to want to step it up so I pointed out to you that the Guru you are quoting in you signature, is accused of this very same thing, not following his own commandments, We have a buddhist version of him that died a horrible death from chronic alcoholism and drug abuse, sleeping with half his followers, I detest him, maybe you've heard of Chogyam Trungpa "Rinpoche". Back to the ten commandments.

Ok then if that's what you believe, no hard feelings.

 

[Pegg]

Many people say that Jesus did away with the ten commandments. But that does not mean it is OK to kill someone. It is not OK to steal or commit adultery. In fact the only commandment they really think is done away with is the one about the Sabbath day. So what did Jesus really do about the commandments? Did He eliminate the need to obey all ten? Or did He eliminate one but not the other nine? Or did He not really eliminate any of them?

Jesus eliminated the need to live by a written law code because he called on people to instill Gods law in their own heart.

If Gods law is in your own heart, you will obey the laws of God without the need for a written law code.

Paul put it this way;
1Timothy 1:8 Now we know that the Law is fine if one applies it properly,*9 recognizing that law is made, not for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless+ and rebellious, ungodly and sinners, disloyal* and profane, murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, man slayers, 10 sexually immoral people,* men who practice homosexuality,* kidnappers, liars, perjurers,* and everything else that is in opposition to the wholesome* teaching+11 according to the glorious good news of the happy God, with which I was entrusted.+

To illustrate, In any society, laws gradually become more and more complex.... why? Because laws are given in hindsight based on peoples behavior. If lots of people begin to behave in negative ways, then the law makers will create a new law to try and prevent such behavior. Basically, the bad behavior of people drive the need for law.

And this is how we can understand why laws are not needed for righteous people. Righteous people do not behave in negative ways, they do not do things to cause the need for laws to exist. Jesus called on his followers to live righteously....and if they do, they would not need a written law code.

 

[Lyndon]

Slice, Sorry I'm not trying to put you down, I understand what you're trying to say about the ten commandments, its just that I strongly disagree with that sentiment from Buddhists(my opinion only, mind you) and I don't see it as any of a better idea for Christians, I happen to believe that some, if not all of the ten commandments are a good idea for moral living even though I regularly break a couple of the lesser ones, the Buddhas five precepts, no lie, no steal, no kill, no adultery, no drugs or alcohol, are a very important and integral part of my life. When monks say you don't have to follow them after you're enlightened, that's because you don't break them after you're enlightened because you know why the rules are there, and don't have to think about obeying them, not because they are no longer important(maybe that's all you were originally trying to say, if so I'm sorry) IMHO

 

[psychoslice]

Slice, Sorry I'm not trying to put you down, I understand what you're trying to say about the ten commandments, its just that I strongly disagree with that sentiment from Buddhists(my opinion only, mind you) and I don't see it as any of a better idea for Christians, I happen to believe that some, if not all of the ten commandments are a good idea for moral living even though I regularly break a couple of the lesser ones, the Buddhas five precepts, no lie, no steal, no kill, no adultery, no drugs or alcohol, are a very important and integral part of my life. When monks say you don't have to follow them after you're enlightened, that's because you don't break them after you're enlightened because you know why the rules are there, and don't have to think about obeying them, not because they are no longer important(maybe that's all you were originally trying to say, if so I'm sorry) IMHO

Yes I am sorry also Lyndon, yes that is more or less what I meant, not doing away with the commandments but having love that is above the commandments, and trying to keep that balance. Thank you for your kind words much appreciated.

 

[Lyndon]

Forgiven, I'm really sorry I could have questioned your original statement, instead I kind of flew off the handle, I have a habit of that, this is one of the few forums that permits arguments etc, And I am very thankful to the moderators and members for allowing me to participate in this forum, as this forum has been a big positive for my life' I was very depressed on a Buddhist forum, a lot of dogmatic bullies, except they all believed the same thing, hook line and sinker, for me to believe in God AND the soul were just sheer heresy to them. Hey, I love that painting of Krishna you posted, unfortunately for your post, I think that thread will not remain visible much longer, maybe you could post it somewhere else on the forum. Sincerely Lyndon

 

[psychoslice]

Forgiven, I'm really sorry I could have questioned your original statement, instead I kind of flew off the handle, I have a habit of that, this is one of the few forums that permits arguments etc, And I am very thankful to the moderators and members for allowing me to participate in this forum, as this forum has been a big positive for my life' I was very depressed on a Buddhist forum, a lot of dogmatic bullies, except they all believed the same thing, hook line and sinker, for me to believe in God AND the soul were just sheer heresy to them. Hey, I love that painting of Krishna you posted, unfortunately for your post, I think that thread will not remain visible much longer, maybe you could post it somewhere else on the forum. Sincerely Lyndon

Gee thanks, yes I can go off the handle sometimes, its just that I see everything in metaphors, instead of worrying about if it all really happened or not. Thanks for liking my painting, I have always loved Krishna since I was a child for some reason, yes I will put it in another Hindu thread, thanks.

 

[Lyndon]

And I must admit I've read some pretty good stuff attributed to Osho, I just don't like hypocrisy, I try, at least, to be a practice what I preach kind of guy.

 

[Kolibri]

So who made this new law covenant, obviously not Jesus or his disciples!!

"'Look! The days are coming,' declares Jehovah, ' when I will make with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant. It will not be like the covenant that I made with their forefathers on the day I took hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, "my covenant that they broke, although I was their true master," (or possibly, "their husband.") declares Jehovah.'

'For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,' declares Jehovah. 'I will put my law within them, and in their heart I will write it. And I will become their God, and they will become my people.'

'And they will no longer teach each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, "Know Jehovah!" for they will all know me, from the least to the greatest of them,' declares Jehovah. 'For I will forgive their error, and I will no longer remember their sin.'" - Jeremiah 31:31-34

other references of this "new covenant" are found at Luke 22:20; 1 Cor 11:25; 2 Cor 3:6; Heb 8:6-13; 9:15; 12:24.

 

[Lyndon]

But that new covenant was supposed to come from Jesus, not Paul who decide to eat pork, not the early Catholic church who changed the Sabbath to Sunday

 

[Kolibri]

But that new covenant was supposed to come from Jesus, not Paul who decide to eat pork, not the early Catholic church who changed the Sabbath to Sunday

Actually the covenant that came from Jesus (with the same body of people) was the one mentioned at later at Luke 22:28-30. Note how he references the "new covenant" separately from the "covenant for a kingdom"

"Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: 'This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf." - Luke 22:20

"'However, you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials; and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel'" - Luke 22:28-30

Paul connects the "new covenant" with the "new covenant" at Jeremiah 31 via his quote of it in Hebrews 8:8 and his continual reference to it. This "new covenant" as the disciples would be already aware of the Hebrew texts would have known to have been coming from the Father, not Jesus.

Jesus' covenant was, with this same group, to allow them to become kings and priests along side him in the coming Kingdom. (Da 7:27; Lu 12:32; 2Ti 2:12; Heb 12:28; Jas 2:5; Re 1:6)

 

[Thief]

Actually the covenant that came from Jesus (with the same body of people) was the one mentioned at later at Luke 22:28-30. Note how he references the "new covenant" separately from the "covenant for a kingdom"

"Also, he did the same with the cup after they had the evening meal, saying: 'This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in your behalf." - Luke 22:20

"'However, you are the ones who have stuck with me in my trials; and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom, and sit on thrones to judge the 12 tribes of Israel'" - Luke 22:28-30

Paul connects the "new covenant" with the "new covenant" at Jeremiah 31 via his quote of it in Hebrews 8:8 and his continual reference to it. This "new covenant" as the disciples would be already aware of the Hebrew texts would have known to have been coming from the Father, not Jesus.

Jesus' covenant was, with this same group, to allow them to become kings and priests along side him in the coming Kingdom. (Da 7:27; Lu 12:32; 2Ti 2:12; Heb 12:28; Jas 2:5; Re 1:6)

Looks like a matter of which book you are using.

Covenant is of mind and heart....not law.
You can say it is of blood if the metaphor works for you.

Make a deal with the Son and the Father will honor it.

 

[Kolibri]

Covenant - An agreement between two or more persons to do or refrain from doing some act; a compact; a contract.
Hebrew berith'
Greek di-a-the'ke

to mean - to symbolize

Because some translations use the word "is" instead of "means" I added the following:

“THIS IS MY BODY” OR “THIS MEANS MY BODY” WHICH?
When Jesus said, “I am the door” and, “I am the true vine,” no one thought that he was a literal door or a literal vine. (John 10:7; 15:1) Likewise, when The New Jerusalem Bible quotes Jesus as saying: “This cup is the new covenant,” we do not conclude that the cup itself was literally the new covenant. So, too, when he said the bread ‘was’ his body, there can be no question that the bread meant, or symbolized, his body. Thus, the Charles B. Williams translation says: “This represents my body.”—Luke 22:19, 20.
- The Lord’s Supper Has Great Meaning for You — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

 

[Thief]

As I was a boy in catholic schools, I did ask a priest about the literal expression....he was serious.

He insisted in belief the miracle of transformation.
The sacrament is to be held as THE body and blood of Christ!
Not a metaphor or symbol.

ok...fine....if he wants to be insistent.

As for me, I understand the concept of blood.

If we share the same blood we are brothers.
We share the same Father.
As such, the belief we hold as true is the same.

So I affirm my previous post.
If our mind and heart is as one.....so too the blood.

 

[029b10]

The Ten Commandments are the Eternal Commandments which where before the universe began and will remain after the universe ends.
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And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Matt 19:17
If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. John 15:10
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Rev 14:12
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev 22:14
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Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: John 5:39
My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; Proverbs 2:1
The wise in heart will receive commandments: Proverbs 10:8

 

[metis]

The Ten Commandments are the Eternal Commandments which where before the universe began and will remain after the universe ends.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Matt 19:17
If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. John 15:10
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Rev 14:12
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Rev 22:14
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: John 5:39
My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; Proverbs 2:1
The wise in heart will receive commandments: Proverbs 10:8

There are 613 Commandments, and you can see them at the link provided and see where they're found in Torah: Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

 

[Thief]

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

You've never anything else ...or more.

 

[roger1440]

Many people say that Jesus did away with the ten commandments. But that does not mean it is OK to kill someone. It is not OK to steal or commit adultery. In fact the only commandment they really think is done away with is the one about the Sabbath day. So what did Jesus really do about the commandments? Did He eliminate the need to obey all ten? Or did He eliminate one but not the other nine? Or did He not really eliminate any of them?

Who are these "many people"? I would like to have a word with them.

 

[roger1440]

There is no answer for your question. The Gospels were written for Jews. Gentiles took the Gospels call them their own and threw the Jews out the door. Christianity now has over 10,000 flavors. And people wonder why, LOL

 

[ChristineES]

I have never believed that Yeshua (aka Jesus) did away with the Ten Commandments.

 

[029b10]

There are 613 Commandments, and you can see them at the link provided and see where they're found in Torah: Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)

You mean like "Thou shalt not kill"

Yet it is written in Genesis 6:9; "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man."

However, as is evident in John 5:26-27, [26] For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; [27] And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Thus in Numbers 15:35-40, it is written...
35 And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.
37 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
38 Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue:
39 And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:
40 That ye may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy unto your God.
41 I am the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: I am the LORD your God.

John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.