Tennessee sees new step in wave of anti-Trans bills

[ADigitalArtist]

How does putting up a sign do that?


sounds like the law gives all manner of power to trans people...


Um...
HIPAA is a law that protects patients from businesses who hold medical information from releasing medical information without the patients permission (with few exceptions concerning court orders...)

Just like with the Proof of Vaccine to fly requirements, it does not violate HIPAA to make people verify their sex to enter a bathroom.

The power isn't in trans hands. It's in legislators hands and the hands of people who would report businesses for serving bathrooms to trans people without the sign. And those businesses who recognize the sign for what it is: a way to target lgbt friendly businesses and scare off conservative customers, see it as a lose lose situation.

The only way trans people have any power is if they directly disobey and go into bathrooms while telling owners '**** off you don't get to see my genitals.'

 

[Hockeycowboy]

“Tennessee sees”?

Arkansas saw.


(Sorry, I just couldn’t help myself!)

 

[McBell]

The power isn't in trans hands. It's in legislators hands and the hands of people who would report businesses for serving bathrooms to trans people without the sign. And those businesses who recognize the sign for what it is: a way to target lgbt friendly businesses and scare off conservative customers, see it as a lose lose situation.

The only way trans people have any power is if they directly disobey and go into bathrooms while telling owners '**** off you don't get to see my genitals.'

what would a trans be "directly disobeying"?
Is there a corosponding law that states that trans are not allowed to use bathrooms for their identity sex unless the sign is posted?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

what would a trans be "directly disobeying"?
Is there a corosponding law that states that trans are not allowed to use bathrooms for their identity sex unless the sign is posted?

Yes, although the legal responsibility for enforcement is set on the laps of those businesses who opt out of the sign. If they allow trans people to use the restroom without the sign, they'll be hit with noncompliance fines. So either they have to attempt to verify the genital status of their customers or submit to a sign that should no more be there than 'we allow Jewish customers.' The only power transpeople in this situation has is reactional. Submit to businesses enforcing the policy or don't.

 

[We Never Know]

Transitioning is a medical process, meaning that information is protected by a legal Fort Knox.
This is bringing protected medical info into the spotlight. It's no one's business if someone has transitioned, but these signs are making it the business of everyone.

The sign says "they maintain a policy of allowing the use of restrooms by either biological sex regardless the designation on the restroom."

It has nothing to do with medical records and is saying either sex or gender can use any bathroom. To me that's a good thing for transgenders because it supports their rights to use any/either bathroom.

Did I miss a problem somewhere?

 

[McBell]

Yes, although the legal responsibility for enforcement is set on the laps of those businesses who opt out of the sign. If they allow trans people to use the restroom without the sign, they'll be hit with noncompliance fines. So either they have to attempt to verify the genital status of their customers or submit to a sign that should no more be there than 'we allow Jewish customers.' The only power transpeople in this situation has is reactional. Submit to businesses enforcing the policy or don't.

Or they can just go use the bathroom like they would in any other business and if someone is going out of their way to look at their junk, call the pervert out for their being the peeping tom they are.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Or they can just go use the bathroom like they would in any other business and if someone is going out of their way to look at their junk, call the pervert out for their being the peeping tom they are.

Which would be 'not submitting to policy' if the business doesn't have the sign. Said peeping tom could report the business, and the business has to decide whether or not to allow themselves to be targeted in antilgbt country or ban the transpeople just trying too pee.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The sign says "they maintain a policy of allowing the use of restrooms by either biological sex regardless the designation on the restroom."

It has nothing to do with medical records and is saying either sex or gender can use any bathroom. To me that's a good thing for transgenders because it supports their rights to use any/either bathroom.

Did I miss a problem somewhere?

Yeah. It's bringing a medical treatment and information NO ONE is entitled to out to front and center stage. How can anyone actually know unless a sign is saying "people who underwent this medical procedure are in this room" and this is somehow being verified?
Reminds me of "racial purity" where it's no ones business who you ancestors are, but it was turned into such a thing that it being discovered you have a black ancestor is a disaster. No one can ever know unless they are prying where their nose doesn't belong.

 

[McBell]

Which would be 'not submitting to policy' if the business doesn't have the sign. Said peeping tom could report the business, and the business has to decide whether or not to allow themselves to be targeted in antilgbt country or ban the transpeople just trying too pee.

Then they will need a sign up stating that trans have to use the bathroom that matches their genitalia.
Without which there is no way to tell if the business has a no trans in bathrooms policy....

 

[ADigitalArtist]

The sign says "they maintain a policy of allowing the use of restrooms by either biological sex regardless the designation on the restroom."

It has nothing to do with medical records and is saying either sex or gender can use any bathroom. To me that's a good thing for transgenders because it supports their rights to use any/either bathroom.

Did I miss a problem somewhere?

Imagine legislature by segregationists to force businesses to disclose serving black people and white people in a hostile pro segregation state. Hostile people would know exactly who to retaliate against.
This shouldn't need a sign and the sign isn't for altruistic reasons.

 

[McBell]

Yeah. It's bringing a medical treatment and information NO ONE is entitled to out to front and center stage. How can anyone actually know unless a sign is saying "people who underwent this medical procedure are in this room" and this is somehow being verified?
Reminds me of "racial purity" where it's no ones business who you ancestors are, but it was turned into such a thing that it being discovered you have a black ancestor is a disaster. No one can ever know unless they are prying where their nose doesn't belong.

And yet it is STILL not a HIPAA violation....

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Thats because they refuse to acknowledge us as we are. They will only acknowledge us as we were born. This is why it says "either biological sex." It's also playing on the nonsense that we're just dressing up this way to get into women's restrooms to sexually assault women.

I don't know how to address this since this is personal for you. All in all, I can see both sides but its sad that makes me think of black/white bathrooms and things of that nature.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Then they will need a sign up stating that trans have to use the bathroom that matches their genitalia.
Without which there is no way to tell if the business has a no trans in bathrooms policy....

Or just don't allow discriminatory policies.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Or they could just have a unisex bathroom sign. It would be rather less obnoxious

True. I never saw a problem in that. I don't think people care in general. I don't live in a too conservative area but that's not my fight. Not sure what else to add.

 

[We Never Know]

Yeah. It's bringing a medical treatment and information NO ONE is entitled to out to front and center stage. How can anyone actually know unless a sign is saying "people who underwent this medical procedure are in this room" and this is somehow being verified?
Reminds me of "racial purity" where it's no ones business who you ancestors are, but it was turned into such a thing that it being discovered you have a black ancestor is a disaster. No one can ever know unless they are prying where their nose doesn't belong.

How??? Its not saying you can only enter if you've had medical procedures done.

"allowing the use of restrooms by either biological sex regardless the designation on the restroom."

It may as well say our bathrooms are unisex and be done with it.

 

[McBell]

Or just don't allow discriminatory policies.

I agree with you.

However, we needs to deal with the realities we face.
And the unfortunate reality is that that law has been put into place.

 

[We Never Know]

Imagine legislature by segregationists to force businesses to disclose serving black people and white people in a hostile pro segregation state. Hostile people would know exactly who to retaliate against.
This shouldn't need a sign and the sign isn't for altruistic reasons.

"allowing the use of restrooms by either biological sex regardless the designation on the restroom."

It may as well say our bathrooms are unisex and be done with it.

 

[McBell]

"allowing the use of restrooms by either biological sex regardless the designation on the restroom."

It may as well say our bathrooms are unisex and be done with it.

Yes.
But what is the reason for there to be a law to put up the sign in the first place?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I agree with you.

However, we needs to deal with the realities we face.
And the unfortunate reality is that that law has been put into place.

I certainly wouldn't comply with this law. And I would heavily invest in the ACLU and counter suits against this law's enforcement.

"allowing the use of restrooms by either biological sex regardless the designation on the restroom."

It may as well say our bathrooms are unisex and be done with it.

Fortunately for me my clinic already has all of our bathrooms marked unisex. Since there's a specific exemption for unisex bathrooms not needing a sign, this piece of legislature wouldn't effect my business. And I imagine a lot of pro-lgbt places that don't want to be targetted by anti-lgbt people will similarly make that change. And good for us if that's the case.
But it doesn't change what this legislature is: and it's for targetting pro-lgbt friendly businesses and maligning trans people.

 

[McBell]

it's for targetting pro-lgbt friendly businesses and maligning trans people.

It is my opinion that that is not only what it is but only what it is.
Though I would love to hear the "defense" of the law if challenged in court.