Tennessee sees new step in wave of anti-Trans bills

[We Never Know]

Imagine legislature by segregationists to force businesses to disclose serving black people and white people in a hostile pro segregation state. Hostile people would know exactly who to retaliate against.
This shouldn't need a sign and the sign isn't for altruistic reasons.

I guess I am blind to the problem. The sign is letting transgenders know they can use either bathroom. The sign will remove doubt from a transgenders thoughts and i would guess are not going to be permanent

To me this is good. "You can sit wherever you would like on a bus, regardless of your race,"
I would guess this started with a sign letting everyone know it.

How is this bad " You can use any bathroom you would like, regardless of your sex/gender."

 

[We Never Know]

Yes.
But what is the reason for there to be a law to put up the sign in the first place?

I don't know why its has to be a law.

"You can sit wherever you would like on a bus, regardless of your race,"
I would guess this started with a sign letting everyone know it.

 

[McBell]

I don't know why its has to be a law.

"You can sit wherever you would like on a bus, regardless of your race,"
I would guess this started with a sign letting everyone know it.

Actually, it started with the removal of signs telling people where they could NOT sit on the bus, or which fountains they were NOT allowed to drink from....

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I guess I am blind to the problem. The sign is letting transgenders know they can use either bathroom. The sign will remove doubt from a transgenders thoughts and i would guess are not going to be permanent

To me this is good. "You can sit wherever you would like on a bus, regardless of your race,"
I would guess this started with a sign letting everyone know it.

How is this bad " You can use any bathroom you would like, regardless of your sex/gender."

I don't know how to explain this to you further. This wasn't made for trans people, it was made to shame businesses who cater to trans people within trans-hostile areas. The same guy who approved this bill made a separate bill that forbids students and teachers from using whichever bathroom just a few days before. If he had the authority to forbid trans people from using restrooms in private buildings I'm sure he would have. So instead he had to go with this instead.
If you want to read more objections to the bill from LGBT sources you can also go here: Businesses will now be forced to post signs announcing they serve transgender customers in Tennessee

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't know how to address this since this is personal for you. All in all, I can see both sides but its sad that makes me think of black/white bathrooms and things of that nature.

The "other side" is spewing hate, nonsense, and lies. Seriously. This bathroom **** has been an issue ever since I started learning about gender dysphoria and what that is, amd this was decades ago.
Seriously one state years ago was considered letting us use the restroom we identify and present as. Conservative asswipes put out ads showing a young girl going into the bathroom, followed by who are lead to believe is a male predator, with the message being that's what will happen if trans people are allowed to use the restrooms we identify and present as.
The "other side" can scarcely put together an argument that even remotely references science. They just don't. They think praying it away is still an option. They think it's not real. They deny brain studies that show how our brains actually are. They are so bad at putting together a logic argument that fully works they end up excluding TONS of cis people as not "being real men/women."
So, no. They don't have any good points. People go in the restroom to do their business and go.

 

[Quagmire]

I'm all in favor of the sign.

To me it just looks like somebody's trying to give a heads up to people who might be freaked out by this sort of thing without prior notice.

I'm pretty sure somebody's 80 year- old church- lady grandmother on her way into the bathroom to powder her nose is going to be freaked out by a 6 foot 4 transvestite with 5:00 shadow regardless of whether or not that's the "right" reaction to have.

I think anybody who sees a problem with this sign is expecting way too much way too fast.

People who are used to certain things being one way --- because that's the way things have been their entire lives--- are going to take a while to get used to these sort of changes. I think holding that against anybody is a bit nearsighted.

If we're supposed to be trying to get from one place to another as far as all this goes, then as far as I'm concerned this sign might as well say "Warning: bridge under construction".

 

[McBell]

I don't know why its has to be a law.

"You can sit wherever you would like on a bus, regardless of your race,"
I would guess this started with a sign letting everyone know it.

The sign this law requires only makes it easier for people with huge sticks up their arse to discriminate at a glance instead of having to work it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It is my opinion that that is not only what it is but only what it is.
Though I would love to hear the "defense" of the law if challenged in court.

Bible verses and stuff that doesn't hold scientific weight.
I doubt I've heard them all, but Ive heard enough to just assume enough to *just know* they'll get some obscure doctor in a field entirely unrelated (this is when they may actually care what a virologist or epidemiologist has to say) to appear in court and give their less than credible opinion on the matter.

 

[McBell]

I'm all in favor of the sign.

To me it just looks like somebody's trying to give a heads up to people who might be freaked out by this sort of thing without prior notice.

I'm pretty sure somebody's 80 year- old church- lady grandmother on her way into the bathroom to powder her nose is going to be freaked out by a 6 foot 4 transvestite with 5:00 shadow regardless of whether or not that's the "right" reaction to have.

I think anybody who sees a problem with this sign is expecting way too much way too fast.

People who are used to certain things being one way --- because that's the way things have been their entire lives--- are going to take a while to get used to these sort of changes. I think holding that against anybody is a bit nearsighted.

If we're supposed to be trying to get from one place to another as far as all this goes, then as far as I'm concerned this sign might as well say "Warning: bridge under construction".

The Latest Study on Trigger Warnings Finally Convinced Me They’re Not Worth It

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class research journals

New study says trigger warnings are useless. Does that mean they should be abandoned?

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...rnings-may-do-more-harm-than-good-study-finds

New study suggests ineffectiveness, and possible harms, of trigger warnings in college setting​

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm all in favor of the sign.

To me it just looks like somebody's trying to give a heads up to people who might be freaked out by this sort of thing without prior notice.

I'm pretty sure somebody's 80 year- old church- lady grandmother on her way into the bathroom to powder her nose is going to be freaked out by a 6 foot 4 transvestite with 5:00 shadow regardless of whether or not that's the "right" reaction to have.

I think anybody who sees a problem with this sign is expecting way too much way too fast.

People who are used to certain things being one way --- because that's the way things have been their entire lives--- are going to take a while to get used to these sort of changes. I think holding that against anybody is a bit nearsighted.

If we're supposed to be trying to get from one place to another as far as all this goes, then as far as I'm concerned this sign might as well say "Warning: bridge under construction".

Do they ensure the rest of us (as in, everyone who's not a Bible thumper) get a warning sign alerting us to the possible presence of someone who is going to beat us in the head with a Bible and harass us amd give us undue grief?
Tell ya what. Ill let them have those signs if they let me have those, and they must go on the doors of churches.

 

[We Never Know]

I'm all in favor of the sign.

To me it just looks like somebody's trying to give a heads up to people who might be freaked out by this sort of thing without prior notice.

I'm pretty sure somebody's 80 year- old church- lady grandmother on her way into the bathroom to powder her nose is going to be freaked out by a 6 foot 4 transvestite with 5:00 shadow regardless of whether or not that's the "right" reaction to have.

I think anybody who sees a problem with this sign is expecting way too much way too fast.

People who are used to certain things being one way --- because that's the way things have been their entire lives--- are going to take a while to get used to these sort of changes. I think holding that against anybody is a bit nearsighted.

If we're supposed to be trying to get from one place to another as far as all this goes, then as far as I'm concerned this sign might as well say "Warning: bridge under construction".

You put the words together better than I could think of how to put it without offending anyone.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I'm all in favor of the sign.

To me it just looks like somebody's trying to give a heads up to people who might be freaked out by this sort of thing without prior notice.

I'm pretty sure somebody's 80 year- old church- lady grandmother on her way into the bathroom to powder her nose is going to be freaked out by a 6 foot 4 transvestite with 5:00 shadow regardless of whether or not that's the "right" reaction to have.

I think anybody who sees a problem with this sign is expecting way too much way too fast.

People who are used to certain things being one way --- because that's the way things have been their entire lives--- are going to take a while to get used to these sort of changes. I think holding that against anybody is a bit nearsighted.

If we're supposed to be trying to get from one place to another as far as all this goes, then as far as I'm concerned this sign might as well say "Warning: bridge under construction".

I would actively avoid posting this sign by making all my bathrooms unisex (if they weren't already). People who are used to something being a certain way, and that certain way being discriminatory to other people, don't deserve to have me making more discriminatory choices while they get used to the idea.

 

[McBell]

Bible verses and stuff that doesn't hold scientific weight.
I doubt I've heard them all, but Ive heard enough to just assume enough to *just know* they'll get some obscure doctor in a field entirely unrelated (this is when they may actually care what a virologist or epidemiologist has to say) to appear in court and give their less than credible opinion on the matter.

I suspect that if it does go to court they will get their arses handed to them at every turn just like the creationists in the Dover trial.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm all in favor of the sign.

To me it just looks like somebody's trying to give a heads up to people who might be freaked out by this sort of thing without prior notice.

I'm pretty sure somebody's 80 year- old church- lady grandmother on her way into the bathroom to powder her nose is going to be freaked out by a 6 foot 4 transvestite with 5:00 shadow regardless of whether or not that's the "right" reaction to have.

I think anybody who sees a problem with this sign is expecting way too much way too fast.

People who are used to certain things being one way --- because that's the way things have been their entire lives--- are going to take a while to get used to these sort of changes. I think holding that against anybody is a bit nearsighted.

If we're supposed to be trying to get from one place to another as far as all this goes, then as far as I'm concerned this sign might as well say "Warning: bridge under construction".

I was going to Like but saw the transvestite part. I agree with what you're trying to say, but the issue is the stereotype and misinformation about transgenderism, passing, gender vs. sex, and discriminator terms like transvestite applied to transgender and associating how they look as a defining factor of who they are (if they look male but say they're female, they're lying or misinformed...type of thing [unfortunately, that RF conversation never did end well])

I think it should be more "this bathroom services both sexes" and nix the reference to gender, transgender, and anything like that.

But we do need to change the stereotypes, education, and make words clear and understandable rather than jargon (i.e. instead of saying "assigned sex" just say biological sex, type of thing). It will take time. Education is a huge one and patience for people to adapt their views or change them for the betterment of other people would help as well.

 

[We Never Know]

I don't know how to explain this to you further. This wasn't made for trans people, it was made to shame businesses who cater to trans people within trans-hostile areas. The same guy who approved this bill made a separate bill that forbids students and teachers from using whichever bathroom just a few days before. If he had the authority to forbid trans people from using restrooms in private buildings I'm sure he would have. So instead he had to go with this instead.
If you want to read more objections to the bill from LGBT sources you can also go here: Businesses will now be forced to post signs announcing they serve transgender customers in Tennessee

And with this post its more clear. So the guy is really against it but can't do anything about it so he's trying to be a pain in the arse. Got it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I guess I am blind to the problem. The sign is letting transgenders know they can use either bathroom. The sign will remove doubt from a transgenders thoughts and i would guess are not going to be permanent

To me this is good. "You can sit wherever you would like on a bus, regardless of your race,"
I would guess this started with a sign letting everyone know it.

How is this bad " You can use any bathroom you would like, regardless of your sex/gender."

That does not tell us we can use the restrooms. It tells others to be on the lookout for us, or anyone who isn't masculine or feminine enough.
We tend to know where we can use the restroom. We know companies who are trans friendly, we have apps to help us know where is safe, and we follow stuff like this (because this is how much Conservatives hate us, that it's become an odd issue for us).
Ultimately, we don't need the permission of bigots.

 

[Revoltingest]

A sign I'm considering buying....
funny bathroom sign 8 1/2 X 10 RESTROOM SIGN Aluminum NEW An alien men women | eBay

 

[Quagmire]

The Latest Study on Trigger Warnings Finally Convinced Me They’re Not Worth It

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class research journals

New study says trigger warnings are useless. Does that mean they should be abandoned?

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-...rnings-may-do-more-harm-than-good-study-finds

New study suggests ineffectiveness, and possible harms, of trigger warnings in college setting​

I don't know if it's fair to call this a trigger warning.

The sign isn't just telling people that they may be disturbed by something they see ahead, it's letting them know that something about their world has changed.

 

[Quagmire]

You put the words together better than I could think of how to put it without offending anyone.

Oh, I'm guessing I offended a lot of people.

 

[We Never Know]

Oh, I'm guessing I offended a lot of people.

Better you than me