Texas - Terrible abortion law doing what Republicans said it wouldn't do

[The Hammer]

Well, I have lived in Tx my whole life, what would I expect from my state which has always used hate! It is terrible.

I wish it didn't have to be this way. I've got family in TX.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

She's certainly not in any shape to drive herself to New Mexico, since anyone driving her there for an abortion would be subject to prosecution.

Also, the Texas Attorney General, Ken Paxton, is one evil SOB for threatening not only Mrs. Cox's doctor, but also the three hospitals where her doctor has admission privileges with prosecution. From the article in the OP:

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On Thursday, Travis County District Judge Maya Guerra Gamble granted that request, handing down a temporary restraining order allowing Ms Cox to terminate her pregnancy, and protecting her doctor from civil and criminal penalties if she performs the procedure.​

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"The idea that Ms Cox wants desperately to be a parent, and this law might actually cause her to lose that ability, is shocking and would be a genuine miscarriage of justice," Judge Gamble, a Democrat, said.​

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Lawyers for the state may ask a higher court to block the order.​

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After the court order was issued, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton sent a letter to three hospitals where Ms Cox's doctor has admitting privileges. In it, he threatened to prosecute anyone who is involved in providing an emergency abortion to Ms Cox, saying that he believes she failed to prove she qualifies for one.​

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Mr Paxton said that Judge Gamble's order "will not insulate hospitals, doctors, or anyone else, from civil and criminal liability for violating Texas' abortion laws".​

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I would like to see Mr Paxton's medical credentials. {Oh, that's right! Lawyers are not doctors! Doctors are not lawyers, and should not have to lawyer up to avoid being bullied by some evil yahoo for simply doing their jobs as physicians!}

Paxton has his good and bad points. He is not evil, but misguided on this one.

 

[crossfire]

Paxton has his good and bad points. He is not evil, but misguided on this one.

Do you have a better word for someone who misuses power to threaten healers, has the power to carry through with those threats, and bypasses any checks and balances to that power? (I'm sorry, but the term "trump" has already been taken.)

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Do you have a better word for someone who misuses power to threaten healers, has the power to carry through with those threats, and bypasses any checks and balances to that power? (I'm sorry, but the term "Trump" has already been taken.)

Whatever

 

[crossfire]

Whatever

If it is any consolation, I don't think I've ever called Trump evil, as I don't remember him ever threatening healers or hogtying protectors of children. I did, however, call DeSantis evil when he hogtied people tasked with protecting children and keeping them safe, disabling them from protecting the children they were tasked with protecting.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

If it is any consolation, I don't think I've ever called Trump evil, as I don't remember him ever threatening healers or hogtying protectors of children. I did, however, call DeSantis evil when he hogtied people tasked with protecting children and keeping them safe, disabling them from protecting the children they were tasked with protecting.

I am just sick of people bringing President Trump into every discussion that has nothing to do with him. Not sure the purpose.

 

[crossfire]

USA Today pulls no punches regarding this story in this opinion piece:

Want to see what Republicans want for abortion rights nationally? Look at Texas.

Texas' abortion laws are so draconian, 31-year-old Kate Cox had to get a judge to grant her and her doctors permission to end a nonviable pregnancy.

www.usatoday.com

 

[metis]

She made the decision to get pregnant. She did that by her own free will. She made the decision to petition the court using a basis that was legally insufficient. The government isn't the problem.

Your post is 100% bogus as the judge did rule in her favor and it was the a.g. that said it's still illegal. Pregnancies are not always planned, and your post is so pathetically uncaring.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I don't think I've ever called Trump evil, as I don't remember him ever threatening healers or hogtying protectors of children.

Have you forgotten wrestling children away from their immigrant mothers' arms to cage them separately? He's a also a liar, a thief, and a sexual predator, but those aren't crimes against children although they add to the claim that the man is rotten to the core.

I am just sick of people bringing President Trump into every discussion that has nothing to do with him.

That's just something you'll have to live with, then. I agree that Trump doesn't need to be mentioned here even though he has much to do with the reason why this is even a story, but I disagree that it is improper to do so just because some people don't like his name mentioned, including both many supporters and detractors.

As for me, I love anything to do with Trump these days. I'll select and look at any film clip in which he speaks, which is the opposite of my reaction when he was president, when I routinely muted him. That's was when he had power, and his words sickened. Now, he's a toothless tiger raging in a cage built by prosecutors with their gag orders and endless indictments, threatening revenge on the world from a position of powerlessness as he loses appeal after appeal waiting for his trial dates.

Imagine how that makes him feel and what it must be like for a man like that, who identifies as a winner, a player, a business success, and a tycoon, to be publicly humiliated like this, as judges and prosecutors reveal what he actually is while taking everything from him including his freedom, his wealth, his children's inheritance, his power, the value of his brand and of the name Trump, his image as a winner, and his legacy. And to make it worse, he says he believes that it was unjustly stolen from him. If so, that's got to make it all sting even more.

This is how a fool's story ends, reminiscent of ancient Greek or Shakespearean tragedy - a morality play and a cautionary tale for those who can learn from it.

 

[Dao Hao Now]

I am just sick of people bringing President Trump into every discussion that has nothing to do with him. Not sure the purpose.

The subject of this thread is:
“Texas- terrible abortion law doing what Republicans said it wouldn’t do”.

Let’s recollect:
Who was it that while running for president in 2016, as an inducement for “pro-life” Republicans, issued a list of candidates for Supreme Court justices vetted by the Federalist Society and promised to appoint anti-abortion justices ……..(Trump promises to appoint anti-abortion Supreme Court justices)
of which he appointed 3?
Thus swinging the court to the far right and successfully repealing Roe v Wade, which made the state law which is the focus of this thread to be possible.

Who is the undisputed leader of the current Rebublican party (again…the subject of this threas), many of whose members have openly called for a federal ban on abortions?

Who was it that took credit for “killing Row v Wade…..again making this state law possible?
(Trump boasts he ‘was able to kill Roe v. Wade,’ takes credit for state abortion bans)

Anybody in particular come to mind?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

The subject of this thread is:
“Texas- terrible abortion law doing what Republicans said it wouldn’t do”.

Let’s recollect:
Who was it that while running for president in 2016, as an inducement for “pro-life” Republicans, issued a list of candidates for Supreme Court justices vetted by the Federalist Society and promised to appoint anti-abortion justices ……..(Trump promises to appoint anti-abortion Supreme Court justices)
of which he appointed 3?
Thus swinging the court to the far right and successfully repealing Roe v Wade, which made the state law which is the focus of this thread to be possible.

Who is the undisputed leader of the current Rebublican party (again…the subject of this threas), many of whose members have openly called for a federal ban on abortions?

Who was it that took credit for “killing Row v Wade…..again making this state law possible?
(Trump boasts he ‘was able to kill Roe v. Wade,’ takes credit for state abortion bans)

Anybody in particular come to mind?

And that is why many voted for him. President Trump does not support a national abortion ban, he also supports exceptions for rape, incest and mothers health. he said this as recently at september of 2023. I am not sure if he has been asked about this specific case, but from prior statements it seems he would be ok with this abortion to protect the mothers health.

 

[F1fan]

I am just sick of people bringing President Trump into every discussion that has nothing to do with him. Not sure the purpose.

You're right, because I blame all the conservtive voters that have made Trump significant, and those like paxton and Abbott, and an other conservative who values far right wing dogma over human life and well-being. There's a reason that republicans don't call themselves the party of family values anymore, even voters would laugh if they did.

 

[Shaul]

Your post is 100% bogus as the judge did rule in her favor and it was the a.g. that said it's still illegal. Pregnancies are not always planned, and your post is so pathetically uncaring.

The judge ruled in this specifically contrary to a statutory prohibition. A judge does not have legislative authority. Furthermore the State Supreme court has issued a stay in this decision and blocked it. So it is not just the Attorney General that says it is illegal. There is nothing that indicates that this particular pregnancy was unplanned and there are indications that it was. I have been caring. The ones that are uncaring are those exploiting the unfortunate circumstances in this case to advance their own ideological agenda for unfettered abortions.

 

[Dao Hao Now]

And that is why many voted for him.

Precisely…..
And who is it that were incentivized by that fact who voted for him?
Was it the Republicans which are the subject of this thread?

President Trump does not support a national abortion ban, he also supports exceptions for rape, incest and mothers health. he said this as recently at september of 2023.

Your response of wondering why his name came up within this conversation seems disingenuous at best.
To wit @crossfire stated:

If it is any consolation, I don't think I've ever called Trump evil, as I don't remember him ever threatening healers or hogtying protectors of children.

Which was not an indication that he does.
It is an acknowledgment that he was pivotal in bringing about the situation, regardless of his personal opinion.

I am not sure if he has been asked about this specific case, but from prior statements it seems he would be ok with this abortion to protect the mothers health.

We’ll have to see how he attempts to walk that fine line.

 

[wellwisher]

Texas has outlawed women driving to a different state to get an abortion also. Put the blame where it belongs--on the Republicans who came up with these laws.

If laws are unjust; you ignore them by being clever. One cannot buy fireworks in the state I live, so you drive across the border and buy them there and bring them back. The cops cannot stop everyone driving on a highway that crosses a border. Get lost in the highway crowd and then circle back to your destination. The other state has a different set of laws.

The Left is trying to over dramatize in an attempt to motivate their Texas base with fear mongering like in 2020, since they have nothing positive to run on. They need people running away from something, with ballot boxes in their path. They have lots of bogeymen to scare them in all directions into ballot box bottlenecks. Emotional thinkers are vulnerable that way.

Another way to look at abortions and abortion rites appears be this ritual is like an atheist version of the religious rite of human sacrifice. At one time, people would sacrifice baby animals, and virgin girls, to the gods, to seek good fortune and to avoid bad luck. They sacrificed the pretty girl to King Kong, so he would not bust up their fort and could be counted on to help with Godzilla.

The city-state of ancient Carthage was a Phoenician colony located in what is now Tunisia. It operated from around 800BC until 146BC, when it was destroyed by the Romans.

Children – both male and female, and mostly a few weeks old – were sacrificed by the Carthaginians at locations known as tophets. The practice was also carried out by their neighbours at other Phoenician colonies in Sicily, Sardinia and Malta. Dedications from the children's parents to the gods are inscribed on slabs of stone above their cremated remains, ending with the explanation that the god or gods concerned had 'heard my voice and blessed me'.

The unborn of modern abortion rites, is cleaner than the sacrificial virgin girl or the week old baby, in the sense the unborn is natural not yet contaminated by the dregs of culture. Sacrificing this extra innocence takes the Carthage ritual to new levels, that I thought were lost to the annals of time.

Maybe the ladies can tell us what do you gain by this human sacrifice ritual? It appears to work, since there a panic less the human sacrifices end.

Maybe those who practice the rites of abortion, do not see innocence, but garbage or cancer. Which Liberal god brings good fortune if you sacrifice garbage?

 

[Orbit]

If laws are unjust; you ignore them by being clever. One cannot buy fireworks in the state I live, so you drive across the border and buy them there and bring them back. The cops cannot stop everyone driving on a highway that crosses a border. Get lost in the highway crowd and then circle back to your destination. The other state has a different set of laws.

The Left is trying to over dramatize in an attempt to motivate their Texas base with fear mongering like in 2020, since they have nothing positive to run on. They need people running away from something, with ballot boxes in their path. They have lots of bogeymen to scare them in all directions into ballot box bottlenecks. Emotional thinkers are vulnerable that way.

Another way to look at abortions and abortion rites appears be this ritual is like an atheist version of the religious rite of human sacrifice. At one time, people would sacrifice baby animals, and virgin girls, to the gods, to seek good fortune and to avoid bad luck. They sacrificed the pretty girl to King Kong, so he would not bust up their fort and could be counted on to help with Godzilla.



The unborn of modern abortion rites, is cleaner than the sacrificial virgin girl or the week old baby, in the sense the unborn is natural not yet contaminated by the dregs of culture. Sacrificing this extra innocence takes the Carthage ritual to new levels, that I thought were lost to the annals of time.

Maybe the ladies can tell us what do you gain by this human sacrifice ritual? It appears to work, since there a panic less the human sacrifices end.

Maybe those who practice the rites of abortion, do not see innocence, but garbage or cancer. Which Liberal god brings good fortune if you sacrifice garbage?

This diatribe doesn't even make sense. But whatever. You do you.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You're right, because I blame all the conservtive voters that have made Trump significant, and those like paxton and Abbott, and an other conservative who values far right wing dogma over human life and well-being. There's a reason that republicans don't call themselves the party of family values anymore, even voters would laugh if they did.

Noted

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Precisely…..
And who is it that were incentivized by that fact who voted for him?
Was it the Republicans which are the subject of this thread?


Your response of wondering why his name came up within this conversation seems disingenuous at best.
To wit @crossfire stated:

Which was not an indication that he does.
It is an acknowledgment that he was pivotal in bringing about the situation, regardless of his personal opinion.


We’ll have to see how he attempts to walk that fine line.

So then I am to blame for voting for President Trump as well, right?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

The Left is trying to over dramatize in an attempt to motivate their Texas base with fear mongering like in 2020, since they have nothing positive to run on. They need people running away from something, with ballot boxes in their path. They have lots of bogeymen to scare them in all directions into ballot box bottlenecks. Emotional thinkers are vulnerable that way.

You're projecting. You've described the Republicans - nothing to run on, and purveyors of boogeymen: BLM, antifa, Communists, socialists, Marxists are everywhere and coming for your guns. Boo!

The Democrats - especially Biden - besides touting his epic achievements, are campaigning using the Republicans own words. Trump admits to targeting democracy and a willingness to be a dictator. That makes for a good commercial. James mocks Trump openly ("The Art of the Steal"). Greene calls the Republicans losers and nobody disagreed. Boebert's and Santos' trashy antics only need be reported without commentary. The House is in disarray, ineffectual, trying to defund the government, unable to govern and so engaging in political theater instead. It efforts to impeach Biden have become humiliations for Comer. Willis defies Jordan and his subpoena's dismissively. A Southern senator was blocking military promotions over abortion funding in the military. One only need show film clips of these people without additional commentary.

How the Biden Campaign Is Using Republicans' Own Words Against Them

Another way to look at abortions and abortion rites appears be this ritual is like an atheist version of the religious rite of human sacrifice.

You're projecting again. That's how an atheophobic theist would frame this matter - atheists and rituals to appease gods. We've abandoned that kind of magical thinking. From a humanist perspective, it's about women's rights and a barbaric ideology that has evolved into a cult of the fetus and which intends to deny them those rights.

So then I am to blame for voting for President Trump as well, right?

Why not? Everybody that voted for Trump in 2016 is to blame for what followed. It's not like it wasn't obvious by then what kind of a person he was - a liar, a thief, and asexual predator to name a few of his defects. Of course you're to blame if you voted for that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So then I am to blame for voting for President Trump as well, right?

You would be part of the problem.