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The 1000 year reign of Christ

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Jesus has been dead for about 2000 years and, the only Scripture applied here is found in Ecclesiastes 9:5,6. "For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love and their hatred, and their envy is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that's done under the sun."
Ben

All scriptures apply, and must be taken together. The following is about to apply directly to the modern state of Israel (house of Judah) and the other nations of the house of Israel (U.S., U.K., Australia, etc.) -(I'm a Jew by blood, so don't think I'm hating! I am very glad God brought Judah to Jerusalem again, but they are about to experience a sustained attack of 3 1/2 years before Christ returns -by their neighbors, et al, first -then finally by the Assyrian [Nazis over Germany over the EU -king of fierce countenance/king of the north in Daniel])

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Isa 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
Isa 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
Isa 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
Isa 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
Isa 28:19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
Isa 28:20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
Isa 28:21 For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.
Isa 28:22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.
Isa 28:23 Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech.

To Judah specifically:

Isa 10:24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.
Isa 10:25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction.

Isa 14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
Isa 14:26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.

Isa 29:5 Moreover the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly.
Isa 29:6 Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.
Isa 29:7 And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.


THINGS ARE ABOUT TO GET VERY "OLD TESTAMENT"!
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
This was prohesied of Christ in the old testament....

Isa 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
Isa 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
Isa 53:3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Isa 53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Isa 53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.


He did ascend into heaven again -and will soon return


Act 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Act 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Act 2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
Act 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost [spirit], he [it] hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Act 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

Joh 3:13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
 
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sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Jesus has been dead for about 2000 years and, the only Scripture applied here is found in Ecclesiastes 9:5,6. "For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love and their hatred, and their envy is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that's done under the sun."
Ben
Are you taking the position of the Sadducees?
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Joh 8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
Joh 8:55Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
Joh 8:56Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he sawit,and was glad.
Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

He has always gone forth from the Father to say and do -which is why he is called Logos (the Word) in the NT.

He was "I am" of the old testament -and also Melchizedek.
 

Ben Masada

Well-Known Member
All scriptures apply, and must be taken together. The following is about to apply directly to the modern state of Israel (house of Judah) and the other nations of the house of Israel (U.S., U.K., Australia, etc.) -(I'm a Jew by blood, so don't think I'm hating! I am very glad God brought Judah to Jerusalem again, but they are about to experience a sustained attack of 3 1/2 years before Christ returns -by their neighbors, et al, first -then finally by the Assyrian [Nazis over Germany over the EU -king of fierce countenance/king of the north in Daniel])

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
Isa 28:14 Wherefore hear the word of the LORD, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
Isa 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Isa 28:16 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
Isa 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
Isa 28:18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
Isa 28:19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
Isa 28:20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
Isa 28:21 For the LORD shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.
Isa 28:22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from the Lord GOD of hosts a consumption, even determined upon the whole earth.
Isa 28:23 Give ye ear, and hear my voice; hearken, and hear my speech.

To Judah specifically:

Isa 10:24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.
Isa 10:25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction.

Isa 14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.
Isa 14:26 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.

Isa 29:5 Moreover the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an instant suddenly.
Isa 29:6 Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire.
Isa 29:7 And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.


THINGS ARE ABOUT TO GET VERY "OLD TESTAMENT"!


Nothing of the above applies to Jesus; and the part with regards to Judah has happened already.

Ben
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Like I said -what we think doesn't matter -when it happens you will think differently. Anyway, anyone with half a brain and access to real news ought to know that Israel is, at the very least, extremely likely to be attacked wholesale quite soon.

You can waste your time by annoying me, but it's rather pointless.

Prohecy is useful, but if Ben wants to inherit eternal life, he needs to keep the commandments -that's most important. I'm not saying he doesn't -just sayin'.

Jas 1:27Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Your obsession with me is unhealthy. You should chill.
 
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Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
You think this has already happened and is not about Christ?


Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

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also read the next verses.....

Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
Zec 14:6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
Zec 14:7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
Zec 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
Zec 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Zec 14:13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.
Zec 14:14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.
Zec 14:15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ***, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

The WHOLE WORLD will soon be keeping the feast of tabernacles -Just as Christ, the apostles and NT church did!

This things ARE about Christ -and have definitely NOT happened yet!
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
still going off on your own prophecy????

Ben has keeps a even head and his answers are hard to find fault with. I dont think he needs your prophecy to be saved

While you're taking a well-needed rest from obsessing about me, download the movie at this link -it'll do you good. It's a bit off-subject, but if you think about it, it really does apply..... it's kinda spooky, though, so don't git too skeered.

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Hi! Jesus Christ, as Jehovah's anointed King, will reign for one thousand years. But this will happen not after destroying the earth. God will never destroy the earth- "A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite."( Ecclesiastes 1:4). Now, 1000 years are given to Jesus to rule in order to bring people back to perfection- "they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and will rule as kings with him for the thousand years"(Revelation 20:6)
Will all people be given these chance? All people are being given witness about this chance, but not many respond to it.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Are there any Christians here on the forums who believe Christ will physically reign a literal 1000 years on earth before it is destroyed? Can anyone here tell me where this idea comes from? Please provide scripture if applicable.

The idea of the 1,000 year reign comes from the Apostle Johns vision in Revelation. this is the time given for Christ to lead mankind back to perfection by removing sin from the mind and heart of mankind.

Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and there were those who sat down on them, and power of judging was given them. Yes, I saw the souls of those executed with the ax for the witness they bore to Jesus and for speaking about God, and those who had worshiped neither the wild beast nor its image and who had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand. And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for a thousand years"

This 1,000 year reign is actually the 'judgment day' spoken of at Acts 17:31 "Because he has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed"
 
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james2ko

Well-Known Member
Hi! Jesus Christ, as Jehovah's anointed King, will reign for one thousand years. But this will happen not after destroying the earth. God will never destroy the earth- "A generation is going, and a generation is coming; but the earth is standing even to time indefinite."( Ecclesiastes 1:4).

But what about:

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 2 Pe 3:10-12​

Not only will this fire destroy the contents of the earth, it will also destroy the wicked:

Mal 4:1 "For behold, the day is coming, Burning like an oven, And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up," Says the LORD of hosts, "That will leave them neither root nor branch.

This world-wide inferno is also alluded to here:

Rev 20:14-15 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.​

Then soon after the earth and wicked are burned up:

Rev 21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea.
I suspect the earth will retain its form and shape but its current contents along with the wicked, unrepentant humans will be burned up in a world-wide lake of fire. Once all combustible materials have burned up and the fire burns itself out (Psa 37:20), the New Jerusalem, the city in which the righteous will dwell, will come down from heaven and be set up on the purged earth. No wonder Mal 4:3 prophetically states:

You [the saints] shall trample the wicked, For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet On the day that I do this," Says the LORD of hosts.​
 

Big_TJ

Active Member
All that is nice. Thank you for calling and sharing. Since you will not answer whether or not you are proficient in Greek, or fail to offer a source that is for this information, I'll continue to disregard it. You may repeat it ad nauseum with the same result.

I see you have failed once again to answer a simple question but, I'll try again, "Do you believe in eternal security as in once saved always saved?"
Sandy, I really applaud you, Frubals!! :bow:

You behave like a typical christian; ignoring all facts when they are presented just to support your dogma. I think James outlined his belief clearly and presented reference. Instead of doing the same for your belief, or rebutting his, you simply want to move on to another point. Fantastic!!!!
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Sandy, I really applaud you, Frubals!! :bow:

You behave like a typical christian; ignoring all facts when they are presented just to support your dogma. I think James outlined his belief clearly and presented reference. Instead of doing the same for your belief, or rebutting his, you simply want to move on to another point. Fantastic!!!!
Your mistaken.

I began to address his points one by one and asked him to verify them as something other than his own belief. After repeated attempts to get him to substatiate his belief only to be ignored I moved on to another point which he also ignored.

You sir, seem to follow in his footsteps. Only you ignore my points so that you may attempt to belittle me. What a debate technique. :clap
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
I suspect the earth will retain its form and shape but its current contents
contents being trees and animals and plants???? [/quote]

along with the wicked, unrepentant humans will be burned up in a world-wide lake of fire.
these are one and the same

Peter also says the heavens will be burned up...yet what harm could fire do to the literal heavens? Peter uses these terms 'earth' and 'heavens' symbolically. 'earth' refers to mankind, and 'heavens' refers to worldly governments and authorities.
 
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james2ko

Well-Known Member
contents being trees and animals and plants????

Anything combustible or with vaporization properties.

these are one and the same

Yes they are. The two adjectives (wicked and unrepentant) describe the noun humans. I just realized I placed a comma instead of a dash between the two adjectives which is a bit misleading. Thanks for bringing it up.

The bible uses the terms 'earth' and 'heavens' symbolically. 'earth' refers to mankind, and 'heavens' refers to worldly governments and authorities.

There's no indication of that for the verses I posted. I'm a literalist. You would have to present some "knock-out" evidence for me to even spend the time to investigate your claim.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
There's no indication of that for the verses I posted. I'm a literalist. You would have to present some "knock-out" evidence for me to even spend the time to investigate your claim.


“The heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.” 2 Peter 3:7

Why would God need to, or want to, destroy heaven?
 
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