The Bacteria.

[LuisDantas]

Discussing the first form of life on earth, this is my point.
Life originated from non-living matter(abiogenesis) which is the earthly minerals and water and
that exactly what the scriptures say and what recent studies found.

The scriptures say nothing with any biological significance. You are extrapolating with jumbo-size amounts of artistic license. And the results are still... disappointing, shall we say.

 

[FearGod]

The scriptures say nothing with any biological significance. You are extrapolating with jumbo-size amounts of artistic license. And the results are still... disappointing, shall we say.

Except that the quran explained it in one other verse that the genetic code was made in the non living matter.
Do you think it isn't significant too?

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

That's impossible logically .

First cell died . so if that would repeated it billion of time , same result is not changed.
let me explain it by math ok ?

1*0=0

1 =is represent cell/cells (one shot). ok ?
0 = represent the death .(end of living time) , ok ?
0 =(result) is represent the failure , Ok

Repeat that math matter billion or trillion of times the same result . ZERO

The fact that one single cell or collection of cells could not build system of creature, alone.

Fact is one single cell should have the full perfect plan(of body ) or that project is would failled, right ?

I do believe that impossible the first cell ever was zygote !

I mean
Human or other creatures could not live without missing essiential organs and systems they need to live healthy, or live in first place (such heart,lungs,kidney,bones,...etc).

For my opinion evolution is senseless.
because human body or bodies orginased to live, but important organs. there was no tests.

I mean human without heart, or human without lungs ....etc first version.

No. Your reasoning is flawed, as has been pointed out a number of times already.

You clearly don't understand biology, especially the difference between bacteria and other simpler kinds of cells (called prokaryotes), and the cells of larger multicellular animals (called eukaryotes). Of course the first cell was not a zygote; a zygote is a particular phase of development in eukaryotic sexual reproduction. It has nothing to do with bacteria or other ancient life forms.

For a bit there, I thought you were actually trying to understand, but I see I was mistaken.

 

[Godobeyer]

On the accumulation of small differences along generations. That is how it works.

In point of "origin of life " from one cell theory.

there would no generations in first place, because the first cell was died , because reproduction is suppose from existing cell.

 

[Godobeyer]

You clearly don't understand biology, especially the difference between bacteria and other simpler kinds of cells (called prokaryotes), and the cells of larger multicellular animals (called eukaryotes). Of course the first cell was not a zygote; a zygote is a particular phase of development in eukaryotic sexual reproduction. It has nothing to do with bacteria or other ancient life forms.

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biology is not secret science.

I don't know if agree that with theory that life began from one single cell?

If you believe in that, I proved it's impossible.

 

[FearGod]

In point of "origin of life " from one cell theory.

there would no generations in first place, because the first cell was died , because reproduction is suppose from existing cell.

Even if the first cell died that won't affect the next generations and evolving with new traits.

 

[Godobeyer]

Even if the first cell died that won't affect the next generations and evolving with new traits.

The origin reference (cell) is gone , how the "next" generations evolving !! , from death ?

 

[FearGod]

The origin reference (cell) is gone , how the "next" generations evolving !! , from death ?

Because the next generation are alive.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

biology is not secret science.

I don't know if agree that with theory that life began from one single cell?

If you believe in that, I proved it's impossible.

Okay: so if it's impossible (not that I accept your "reasoning," which is nonsense), that means...What? What is the only other possible cause of life on the planet?

 

[Godobeyer]

Because the next generation are alive.

Just to know if you understand my point
Did they evolved through first cell ?

I believe the theory of evolution from one cell is had no sense.

 

[Jumi]

That's impossible logically .

First cell died . so if that would repeated it billion of time , same result is not changed.
let me explain it by math ok ?

1*0=0

1 =is represent cell/cells (one shot). ok ?
0 = represent the death .(end of living time) , ok ?
0 =(result) is represent the failure , Ok

Repeat that math matter billion or trillion of times the same result . ZERO

If there is one cell that multiplied before it died then it's different. Then it's x-1 after it died. Say if it divided 5 times, it would have 5 direct descendants and more grandchildren.

 

[FearGod]

Just to know if you understand my point
Did they evolved through first cell ?

I believe the theory of evolution from one cell is had no sense.

Do you mean started from one bacteria only or you mean the unicellular bacteria?

 

[Godobeyer]

Okay: so if it's impossible (not that I accept your "reasoning," which is nonsense), that means...What? What is the only other possible cause of life on the planet?

Of course it's impssoble that life come from one single cell to creat all these variation of creations.

by logic I prove it. because one cell can't live forever or even paste the infos in to new generation.

except if there is magic cells like "zygote" .

If you believe that your body (and other creatures) are designed , so there is designer.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

Of course it's impssoble that life come from one single cell to creat all these variation of creations.

by logic I prove it. because one cell can't live forever or even paste the infos in to new generation.

except if there is magic cells like "zygote" .

If you believe that your body (and other creatures) are designed , so there is designer.

Apparently, YOU believe there was a designer. I believe life evolved. Your logic is flawed, but you're quite free to believe whatever...

Been nice talking at you. bye now.

 

[Godobeyer]

If there is one cell that multiplied before it died then it's different. Then it's x-1 after it died. Say if it divided 5 times, it would have 5 direct descendants and more grandchildren.

No,there would be no different even if cell multiplied it died, there would be no different because it's DIED .

Is cells are ONE BLOCK ?, if they mutiplied or divided where is the problem, they would ALL died at ONCE .because they are one block.

 

[Godobeyer]

Apparently, YOU believe there was a designer. I believe life evolved. Your logic is flawed, but you're quite free to believe whatever...

Been nice talking at you. bye now.

been nice talking to you too . see you

 

[FearGod]

No,there would be no different even if cell multiplied it died, there would be no different because it's DIED .

Is cells are ONE BLOCK ?, if they mutiplied or divided where is the problem, they would ALL died at ONCE .because they are one block.

Why the next will make no difference if the first died?
For example imagine a single Somalian traveled to Sweden before 2000 years and married a white woman with blue eyes and
he got children from her and then he died (first Somali), do you think his grandchildren will still look as Somalis after 2000 years?

If you have other point then i think it isn't clear.

 

[LuisDantas]

Except that the quran explained it in one other verse that the genetic code was made in the non living matter.
Do you think it isn't significant too?

I am surprised that you even attempt to bring the matter to discussion, truth be told.

 

[FearGod]

I am surprised that you even attempt to bring the matter to discussion, truth be told.

If you read the OP, you'll find matter from start.

 

[Yerda]

No,there would be no different even if cell multiplied it died, there would be no different because it's DIED .

Is cells are ONE BLOCK ?, if they mutiplied or divided where is the problem, they would ALL died at ONCE .because they are one block.

It would have divided many many times before it died. There would be lots of "daughter" cells then replicating themselves. This is how bacteria reproduce and how we expect the first lifeforms to have behaved.