AmbiguousGuy
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Hmm my question wasn't answered either.
Yeah, I asked about married homosexuals. No answer.
The problem with settling into a religion is that one then has truth to protect.
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Hmm my question wasn't answered either.
Yeah, I asked about married homosexuals. No answer.
The problem with settling into a religion is that one then has truth to protect.
Same sex marriages are not recognized in the Baha'i Faith...
Why not just admit that you discriminate against gays? The first step to overcoming one's problem is to admit that the problem exists.
In our view it is not discrimination against gays. Like drinking and driving. If you want to have your driver's licence you must abide by the law, and don't drink while driving. If you want to have Baha'i membership card, you cannot have homosexual relationships....
But they cannot have membership card....this is a Law according to Baha'i Writings. There is nothing in Baha'i Writings that a gay couple are denied having rights to go to school, or work....I hope this explanation is sufficient.
I understand. How about black people marrying white people? Do you allow Baha'is to marry people from other races than their own? Can an Arab man marry a Japanese woman and still remain in your religion?
Yes, Baha'i Faith promotes the idea that the earth is like one country and all mankind its citizens.
Yes, but not all citizens are equal. Those who are born as homosexuals don't get to vote -- at least as I understand the Baha'i system.
... in order to have Baha'I Memebership card, one cannot practice homosexual relationships. It is ovsious if one does not have Baha'I membership card, he cannot participate in Baha'I elections for spiritual assemlies. But again, one needs to believe Baha'u'llah is Manifestation of God to want to have Baha'I membership in the first place. So if a homosexual person believes Baha'u'llah is Manifestation of God, he would obey His laws and would not practice homosexuality. It is just as if a person who wants to keep his Baha'I membership card, he cannot drink alchohal.
Well, first, regardless if a Baha'i understands the wisdom behind every Baha'i Law or not, he would try to follow them and abide by them....Do you have any ideas about that, or must you simply accept whatever Baha'u'llah said about it?
I don't think there is a straight answer for this. To see why Baha'u'llah said that, we need to know what Baha'u'llahs mission was overall.I wonder why Baha'u'llah objected to men marrying men but did not object to white men marrying black women?
A predominate teaching from those religions is reincarnation. Did Buddha and Krishna teach that, or is it only a "tradition", a wrong tradition of the followers of those religions?The Buddhist and Hindu scriptures ... in a letter dated November 25, 1950 written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, there is this statement: 'We cannot be sure of the authenticity of the scriptures of Buddha and Krishna...'.
So... did Moses write the Torah? And, is the Torah the accurate words of God dictated to Moses? If so, then the creation and flood stories are part of the "historical" narrative of what really happened?Baha'is accept the Torah and the Gospels of the Bible:
"...the Torah that God hath confirmed consists of the exact words that streamed forth at the bidding of God from the tongue of Him Who conversed with Him (Moses)."
(From a recently translated Tablet of Bahá'u'lláh)
"Know ye that the Torah is that which was revealed in the Tablets to Moses, may peace be upon Him, or that to which He was bidden. But the stories are historical narratives and were written after Moses, may peace be upon Him."
(From a recently translated Tablet of 'Abdu'l-Bahá)
"That City is none other than the Word of God revealed in every age and dispensation. In the days of Moses it was the Pentateuch; in the days of Jesus, the Gospel; in the days of Muhammad, the Messenger of God, the Qur'án; in this day, the Bayan; and in the Dispensation of Him Whom God will make manifest, His own Book -- the Book unto which all the Books of former Dispensations must needs be referred, the Book that standeth amongst them all transcendent and supreme."
(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 269)
Then it says "in the days of Jesus, the Gospel"? What is the gospel of Jesus? Most Christians seem to think it has something to do with having their sin debt to God payed for by Jesus? Could Jesus really have the authority to forgive sins? Obviously, I'm still not seeing how this "progression" is in anyway how the religious world works. Every prophet/manifestation claims different things. No way is there enough consistency between the religions for them to be a continuous progression of the spiritual truth of one God.
Then what is the Mormon Church? They say an angel of God told Joseph Smith where to find the golden plates that he translated into the Book of Mormon. That isn't true? Mormonism is phoney? Smith made it all up? But wait, didn't an angel tell Mohammad the "truth" about God? Yet you accept him. Why is that? How is the Quran the true word of God but not the Book of Mormon? Some people think Mohammad made it all up, but you don't. You believe the Quran is the true word of God?I quote:
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"Regarding your question concerning Joseph Smith and the 'Book of Mormon'; as the Bahá'í Teachings quite clearly outline the succession of Prophets from the days of Christ as being Muhammad, the Báb, and finally Bahá'u'lláh, it is obvious that Joseph Smith is not a Manifestation of God."
―Lights of Guidance, pp. 511-512
And thus, we don't consider the Book of Mormon scripture.
Yes, but not all citizens are equal. Those who are born as homosexuals don't get to vote -- at least as I understand the Baha'i system.
So either Krishna and Buddha are wrong or what was written about what they taught was wrong? Plus, the devil, hell, personal salvation are from Christianity. They were not in the original teachings of the Jewish Bible. So are those concepts wrong? Are those concepts from Jesus or did the writers of the NT put words in Jesus' mouth?Didymus wrote:
A predominate teaching from those religions is reincarnation. Did Buddha and Krishna teach that, or is it only a "tradition", a wrong tradition of the followers of those religions?
My comment:
I think earlier I mentioned that if explore the Vedas there's no mention of reincarnation..
Though the fact of "Return" is mentioned in the Divine Books, by this is intended the return of the qualities, characters, perfections, truths and lights, which re-appear in every age, and not of certain persons and souls. For example: If we say this lamp is the return of that of last night, or that the last year's flower hath returned in the garden, in this sense the return of the individual, or identity, or personality is not meant; nay, rather, it is intended that the same qualities and states existing in that lamp or flower, which are now seen in this lamp or flower, have returned. That is, the same perfections and virtues and properties which existed in the past springtime have returned during this present springtime. For instance: When one says, these fruits are the same as those of last year; in this sense, he hath reference to the freshness and delicacy of the fruit, which hath returned, although there is no doubt that the identical fruit of last year hath not returned.
~ Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith, p. 391 and in "Some answered Questions" on p. 218.
Jesus said that whoever looks upon a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart. And, in the NT it says that adulterers won't go to heaven, along with homosexuals. Where do they go then? Jesus and the NT writers say they go to hell. But Baha'is don't believe in the Christian hell.It's the behaviour and the sexual relationship outside of marriage that we have an issue with in our Faith. We believe Baha'is are responsible for their actions and that there can be consequences.. Heterosexually oriented people face the same issue that a Homosexual would have.... if they have sexual relations outside marriage.
It's the behaviour and the sexual relationship outside of marriage that we have an issue with in our Faith.
If you want to understand the "Baha'i system" you'll need to explore it further for yourself..
A day or so ago I think you wrote that you have no inclination to read or study scriptures and yet you seem to want to criticize various religions including our Faith.
My only suggestion to you is that unless you read more about the subject you'll not be able to understand it.
Someone who may have a homosexual propensity has every right as a Baha'i... just as people have propensities of many kinds.. It's the behaviour and the sexual relationship outside of marriage that we have an issue with in our Faith.
We believe Baha'is are responsible for their actions and that there can be consequences.. Heterosexually oriented people face the same issue that a Homosexual would have.... if they have sexual relations outside marriage.
Who cares about your other questions. This one sounds interesting. And God ordained, sort of, in a mischievous and round about way. I like it. And if one of the partners dresses up like a woman or a man, then gays can do it too?4. This is slightly different to q2. Since marriage is a lawful requirement before Bahais can live 'as one', can Bahai's marry, divorce after a year, marry, divorce after a year, marry...... enjoying partner after partner after partner? ......... and only taking part in the bahai marriage, not in the country's registry system?