BenTheBeliever
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I get what you are saying but I am standing by what God says. Who do you think knows more man or the one who created man?
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The bible and gays
- Thread starter Leo613
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ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
I don't believe God exists, so you saying that is meaningless to me. I am not at all interested in your belief in God. I am only interested in your claim that gay people CHOOSE to be gay, which so far you have presented no reasoning to support. I have tried to get you to understand that gay people do not CHOOSE to be gay any more than you CHOOSE to love your wife. If you have difficulty understanding that, then I feel very sorry for you and your lack of human empathy.
BenTheBeliever
Active Member
I gave my opinion. I am done with this now. It is going to go no where. You think it is not a choice. I do. You don't believe in God. I do believe in God. God makes it clear to us it is pointless to debate with people cause they don't want to give up their sin. Which is a very true statement.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
No you don't, because you clearly said you couldn't choose to stop loving your wife. Either you can or you cannot. If you cannot, then love isn't a matter of choice. If you can, then love is a matter of choice. It's that simple.
I have no interest in any of these beliefs or baseless statements. You have already demonstrated a lack of understanding of the Bible, so why should I even take your belief seriously?
Deathbydefault
Apistevist Asexual Atheist
Cool. So knowing that, why did God make me in a way that I am physically incapable of the ability to care as to whether or not he truly exists? Or as to whether or not he loves me? Or even the ability to truly respect him for creating me?
Makes me wonder if I'm just a throwaway type your God has made.
BenTheBeliever
Active Member
There is no throwaways. We live in a fall world. The price that was paid for Adam and Eve going against what God told them not to do.
You can disagree however, there are scientists that are tracing down the genetic basis for homosexuality, meaning that it is NOT a choice anymore than someone who develops a mental illness or had to live with cerebral palsy or has a club foot etc.
You didn't answer Immortal's question Ben. Did you choose to be heterosexual? IOW, did you choose to be straight and love women?
That was rude and completely uncalled for. Did you choose to be straight? Its a simple question.
Leo613
Active Member
Do u think god loves hetero sexual more then gays
Deathbydefault
Apistevist Asexual Atheist
That does nothing for me though, not where God is concerned.
Even if I were to go to whichever church and pray to whichever God there would be no emotion behind it.
But I'm still expected to follow a load of rules that contradict with how I naturally think.
Even though there are tons of other religions out there, I am apparently meant to follow only this one.
Only this ones set of rules.
Moreover than even that, if I don't follow this set of rules I may very well go to Hell.
I don't believe that your God, who is modernly portrayed as fair and loving, is fair in putting me in this situation.
Do you?
BenTheBeliever
Active Member
Yes I did. I chose every decision I make. I pray about it and I make my choices. Can you admit you make yours?
BenTheBeliever
Active Member
God loves us all the same
Leo613
Active Member
Even bad people
BenTheBeliever
Active Member
We put our own self's in our messes not God.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
That's not spelled out in the bible. Yet it seems iron-clad to you -- even though it happened in the bible, and then it didn't happen, and then JS decided that it should happen, and then somebody else decided that it shouldn't, yaddayaddayadda... How do you know Somebody hasn't decided that homosexual marriage is OK, even if that's not spelled out in the bible? In fact, interracial marriage is contraindicated in the bible, yet that seems to be OK now -- "Somebody" decided that it was really OK now. Well, homosexual marriage has been declared OK now. Get over it.
No, it's really true! many Christians have accepted -- not only homosexual activity, but homosexual marriage as OK. It's no mistake.
Sure they can! Humanity, itself, is very diverse, and God is very, very, very big.
You've made the right choice for you. Just as others have made the right choice for them. The point is, your morality is your morality. You don't get to decide what's "right" or "decent" for the rest of the world. If homosexual marriage turns you off because of how you identify, then, by all means, don't become homosexually married! But don't dehumanize others for making their choices, based upon their identities.
I just about guarantee you that this is nothing more than Conservative Scare Tactic.
They SHOULD be accepted!!! They're sexual human beings, same as all the rest of us heterosexuals, aren't they? Do you not accept blacks, because they're not "the same" as the majority? They're not "white enough?" Do you not accept Jews, because they're not "Christian enough," like us? Do you not accept First Nations people, because they're not "European enough," like the rest of us? People are who they are. Being black isn't a sin. Being homosexual isn't a sin.
But engaging in bigotry is.
And you think you can stop it through keeping them beat down. What's next on your agenda, when you find out you can't pray them away? "Homosexuals only" drinking fountains? No! Wait! Even better! Let's segregate heaven and keep them completely out of God's Mormon Presence! Yah! That'll show 'em!
BenTheBeliever
Active Member
Just cause scientists say this g does not mean God approves
BenTheBeliever
Active Member
Yes I chose to be straight and I chose to marry my wife. Can you say the same?
Deathbydefault
Apistevist Asexual Atheist
Cool. I guess I decided to put myself in a family that abused me.
I suppose I also decided to have APD and few other lesser mental conditions.
Totally my fault I was born.
I was unaware, thank you for informing me.
BenTheBeliever
Active Member
We are all bad people if you really think about it. We all have broken God rules one way or another. Even if it somehing small like lying to protect a person feelings God still says thou shall not lie.