The bible and gays

[Deathbydefault]

Wow, I've wasted my time on here...Hollywood & the rest of the media have got most of America brainwashed into thinking all this is ok. No amount of debate or persuasion will help you "progressive" thinkers. It's your lives..live and think how you want but the consequences are soon to follow

Wow, that's scary.
Jo, we better watch out...
You saw it here, there are going to be consequences for being yourself.
Might want to change who you are entirely before it's too late, and you burn for forever.

Size was edited for Jo's benefit, keep scrolling.

 

[chessplayer]

Hold on Jo Stories ,don`t mind me , I`m Scottish , and we Scots don`t mess around with flowery platitudes , it may appear my posting is rude but it`s not , it`s just us being direct , but it does mean we say it as we see it rather than how we think others might want to hear it , so be patient, I can be nice as well. lol.

Are you interested in a little creative expression ?.

A poetry competition might help us to express ourselves with less perceived aggression, EG.

The words at the top are our base for all to use in order. The poem has to include reference to God in some way.

Credit to a dear friend called Marco for this idea.


we, be, glee, fun, none, begun, dumb, come, sum, away, they, say. we all use these words


Three little maids from school are we These words come from this poem with this rhyme , , only as an example.
Pert as a school-girl as we can be
Filled to the brim with girlish glee,
Three little maids from school.

My effort ( which is a bit sad, but shows the standard expected is not high )


Agnostics , atheists and believers are we
Sometimes as rude as we can be
Often with an overflowing bit of glee
Agnostics , atheists and believers are we.


Try as we may to have some fun
Often we end up having none
Knowing each other has just begun
Agnostics, atheists and believers are we.


Some folk say things often quite dumb
Travelling along the road they come
Some their efforts are a princely sum
Agnostics atheists and believers are we.


Some we wish they would just go away
But often we are as bad as they
Do not what I do but what I say
Maybe all will become believers here one day.


Lol

 

[chessplayer]

"Deathbydefault, post: 4407312, member: 56872"]Wow, that's scary.
Jo, we better watch out...
You saw it here, there are going to be consequences for being yourself.
Might want to change who you are entirely before it's too late, and you burn for forever.

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DBD hi there , I`m new here , but can you tell me what philosophy and wisdom you would pass on to say ,your child, or someone who was struggling with say ,drugs or alcohol abuse,or fear and uncertainty,

 

[Deathbydefault]

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DBD hi there , I`m new here , but can you tell me what philosophy and wisdom you would pass on to say ,your child, or someone who was struggling with say ,drugs or alcohol abuse,or fear and uncertainty,

For a child, I would teach them how to think and not what to think.
They may grow up to believe whatever they so please, but they will never be indoctrinated.

For someone who is struggling with drugs and liquor, I could only tell them that life is harsh.
That there are many options, including the weak solution.
But if they ever want to get out of whatever hole they're in they need to do it themselves or find a helping hand.

For someone struggling with uncertainty, I'd tell them that there is no objectively correct path.
That whatever they decide to do they have to make it the correct choice for them, and that they are the ones who help themselves.

For someone who is afraid, I would say fear is okay.
That being afraid of something is natural, but staying afraid is up to them.
If they cannot overcome their fear then they should conform around it.
That's what I do.

[Edit] Ah, and welcome to the forums.

 

[sojourner]

Wow, I've wasted my time on here...Hollywood & the rest of the media have got most of America brainwashed into thinking all this is ok. No amount of debate or persuasion will help you "progressive" thinkers. It's your lives..live and think how you want but the consequences are soon to follow

I don't know what you're talking about -- "Hollywood and media." This is graduate seminary, "bible 101" stuff. And we've found that no amount of debate or persuasion will help you "fundie" believers. It's your lives -- live and think how you want, but don't try to 1) force others to your way of thinking, 2) scare others with threat of hell, 3) perpetuate the systemic violence that seeks to dehumanize your homosexual sisters and brothers.

 

[chessplayer]

Thanks DBD for the welcome, I hate to tread on toes especially when I have just arrived, but your post is interesting, you`re very honest !

I wonder how others would answer the questions.

 

[Deathbydefault]

I'm afraid I did not see the purpose of the questions, so I couldn't cleverly avoid them while still telling the truth.
Therefore, I just told the truth. If you would like to elaborate on their purpose, I would be interested in knowing.

 

[chessplayer]

DBD if I may answer your post.

I agree we shouldn`t dictate to our children what to think . However surely society exists within certain perameters and boundaries . We are built that way, we have them in our laws, in sport , natural laws like danger of water, fire, heights etc.

If we transgress these laws we pay the price .

I`m not BTW referring to the threat of Hell , only the principle of showing our kids there are consequences for our actions, n`est pas ?

 

[Deathbydefault]

DBD if I may answer your post.

I agree we shouldn`t dictate to our children what to think . However surely society exists within certain perameters and boundaries . We are built that way, we have them in our laws, in sport , natural laws like danger of water, fire, heights etc.

If we transgress these laws we pay the price .

I`m not BTW referring to the threat of Hell , only the principle of showing our kids there are consequences for our actions, n`est pas ?

Society, at least the one I live in, is supposed to be built on the foundations of what is most beneficial and fair for all people.
So, I see the rules and laws as a point to express to a child. I wont force my child to obey the law either, but that's for a separate reason.
And, by breaking a law, you do not always pay a price. Not every murderer or molester is in prison, or will be in prison.
I have broken many laws myself, I've been smoking since I was 15, for instance. I was never caught or punished.

I will show my kids what could happen in philosophical and law/rule based situations.
The question that most parents seem to hate is "why?". I love that question.
If a child were to ask me why something works the way it does, I'll tell them.
And if they don't understand, I'll express it to them so that they have the potential to understand.
If I don't have the correct answer, I'll say so.
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Direct reply to laws/rules
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It all comes down to them being people made things.
At their base they are like any other building, even though they go as high as a skyscraper.
The laws of nature is a good reference, they are the ground which humans have built on, per se.
They will always exist even if all our other structures crash down, or we die completely.
It seems they are a requirement, if you will. But what is not a requirement is living in that skyscraper.

 

[chessplayer]

BDB my friend, a good argument , but , what would a game of football be like without a referee or rules or lines and boundaries and of course a goal.

These are made to enable the game to be fair and orderly and to have a purpose and a goal .

Most of us waste years looking for purpose in life and at the wrong goals.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

BDB my friend, a good argument , but , what would a game of football be like without a referee or rules or lines and boundaries and of course a goal.

Politics?

 

[chessplayer]

I know this is a week analogy but there is a truth somewhere.

The Lord is my shepherd Psalm 23. In the mid East the shepherd leads from the front. He knows where the dangers lie , and he knows where the good pasture lies as well. The sheep has the freedom to turn away and reject the shepherd, but wolves, cliffs, deep waters lurk in wait to steel kill and destroy.

The rules are , follow the guidance of the shepherd. he knows the way.

Mey !

 

[Christ's Prophet]

Why is the bible homophobic

Dear LEO613
You're asking why, why don't you ask God? Now people, you have been asking one another this question. Does anyone really know? It is like trying to put together a very complicated piece of machinery without consulting the instructional manual. The instructional manual in this case is the Bible.
The short answer is that homosexuality is a corruption of God’s creation. That is why God particularly hates the sin of homosexuality which resulted in the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. See also God’s teachings in Leviticus 18, but in particular:- Leviticus 18:22 (KJV)
22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Furthermore the teaching has not been lost and is reiterated in Romans 1
Romans 1:26-27 (KJV)
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
When homosexuals lie with one another, that is not love. That is lust. Do you think that you can argue with God? If you do, in the end, you will lose. You must learn to fear God and live by His rules.
Christ’s prophet,
Certainty for eternity

 

[leibowde84]

According to what I see in the Bible .

Sin in a sense is a collective expression for rejection of God . The God we can all see in the astounding world around and above us , we are uniquely made for freely expressed fellowship with Him achievable through the work of Christ.

Seems more like it talks about punishment for not falling in line.

 

[Deathbydefault]

BDB my friend, a good argument , but , what would a game of football be like without a referee or rules or lines and boundaries and of course a goal.

These are made to enable the game to be fair and orderly and to have a purpose and a goal .

Most of us waste years looking for purpose in life and at the wrong goals.

It would be pointless, same with society.
That's why I say that at the foundations they look like any other human structure.
The ground is what is required, the structures are addons, it matters not how high they go.

Or rather, the structures require a ground to be built upon.
Without the structures the ground would still remain.

Without society there would still be people.
Without rules there would still be life.
Without laws there would still be order.
These things are added, they're koolaid packets for your bottled water.
They make the water taste better, but you really only need the water.

So, in respect to your analogy, football would still be football so long as there is a football.
Even if you take away the ref, the lines, the goals, the rules, you would still have the ball.
The ball is the base of the sport, the ground it was built upon.
Everything else isn't required, it just makes the sport more entertaining.
Like I said, they are the koolaid packets for your bottled water.

 

[chessplayer]

L`84 Quote " Seems more like it talks about punishment for not falling in line."

Back to the analogy of giving your pet the freedom of the garden or the park . If the pet is reasonably obedient , it can enjoy a happy healthy life.

But any wandering pet can get lost, into bad company , run over ,malnourished and die prematurely .

Also it`s young are affected as they are born into this fragile existence.

A pet that is reasonably submitted to it`s owner will be showered with good things.

Woof !

 

[Deathbydefault]

L`84 Quote " Seems more like it talks about punishment for not falling in line."

Back to the analogy of giving your pet the freedom of the garden or the park . If the pet is reasonably obedient , it can enjoy a happy healthy life.

But any wandering pet can get lost, into bad company , run over ,malnourished and die prematurely .

Also it`s young are affected as they are born into this fragile existence.

A pet that is reasonably submitted to it`s owner will be showered with good things.

Woof !

If that is the world we live in then I choose to be the dog that takes his chances.
I don't like being owned.

 

[chessplayer]

Quote DBD...Even if you take away the ref, the lines, the goals, the rules, you would still have the ball.

Is that not the point, ? as such a game would be chaotic , full of arguments , fights would break out , and the goals and purposes would be unclear.

Players would start to take alcohol and drugs to try to find out why they are playing this game, "after all what is this ball really for , what`s it all about ?"

On the sidelines there would be the ones who would be saying , " this is the way the game should be played " , and others would shout them down and demand to play it " their way".

Eventually the guy who owned the field would come and say " this is a real mess, as I guessed it would be , but I like you guys so much I`m going to give you my son to show how the game should be played !"

Boom !

 

[Deathbydefault]

Quote DBD...Even if you take away the ref, the lines, the goals, the rules, you would still have the ball.

Is that not the point, ? as such a game would be chaotic , full of arguments , fights would break out , and the goals and purposes would be unclear.

Players would start to take alcohol and drugs to try to find out why they are playing this game, "after all what is this ball really for , what`s it all about ?"

On the sidelines there would be the ones who would be saying , " this is the way the game should be played " , and others would shout them down and demand to play it " their way".

Eventually the guy who owned the field would come and say " this is a real mess, as I guessed it would be , but I like you guys so much I`m going to give you my son to show how the game should be played !"

Boom !

Seems as though you either didn't get my analogy or you do not wish to accept it, lol
Either way, we've gone way off topic.

 

[JoStories]

Wow, I've wasted my time on here...Hollywood & the rest of the media have got most of America brainwashed into thinking all this is ok. No amount of debate or persuasion will help you "progressive" thinkers. It's your lives..live and think how you want but the consequences are soon to follow

Instead of insulting people how about you try to show me where the Bible speaks about homosexual relationships. Keep in mind here we are NOT talking about male to male sex. And also, I am asking for what Christ had to say about this. The verses about not cheating on one's wife or that a man should be with a woman are not germane. I want to hear where Christ specifically speaks about gay relationships please.