The bible and gays

[chessplayer]

Truthmagazine.com is a Christian website, so I have to think these quotes are a bit biased. Do you have any unbiased sources?

http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/history/2_ch02.htm

That`s the problem , non Christians rarely have an interest in promoting these kind of facts. Even Christians would not like to be reminded of these things .

Since the days of Christ on earth persecution has been rife, all bar one of the disciples were executed. The persecution by most of the Roman Empire of the church until Constantine is well documented .The Coliseum in Rome with lions etc ,all recorded facts, The latest Isis documented atrocities reveal something that has been happening for centuries , look for yourself on Google.

The Bible talks about " the god of this world " as being Satan, who tries to lead everyone away from worshipping God , if he can`t do that , he will persecute them as is happening exactly the same today " become a Muslim ,denounce Christ , or die !"

Satan was the one who took Jesus to the temple ( before his crucifixion , ) and said " see all these kingdoms of the world , worship me and I will give them to you, for they are mine to give !"

When Jesus rose from the dead , things changed , but only in trusting and following Christ are we free from the power of Satan.

 

[leibowde84]

http://www.ccel.org/s/schaff/history/2_ch02.htm

That`s the problem , non Christians rarely have an interest in promoting these kind of facts. Even Christians would not like to be reminded of these things .

Since the days of Christ on earth persecution has been rife, all bar one of the disciples were executed. The persecution by most of the Roman Empire of the church until Constantine is well documented .The Coliseum in Rome with lions etc ,all recorded facts, The latest Isis documented atrocities reveal something that has been happening for centuries , look for yourself on Google.

The Bible talks about " the god of this world " as being Satan, who tries to lead everyone away from worshipping God , if he can`t do that , he will persecute them as is happening exactly the same today " become a Muslim ,denounce Christ , or die !"

Satan was the one who took Jesus to the temple ( before his crucifixion , ) and said " see all these kingdoms of the world , worship me and I will give them to you, for they are mine to give !"

When Jesus rose from the dead , things changed , but only in trusting and following Christ are we free from the power of Satan.

Fair enough I guess. Thanks.

 

[chessplayer]

I IMO, and in the opinion of researchers, being gay may be genetically based.This doesn`t alter the what the Bible says That would intimate that it is just dandy with God, again IMO , this is not possible for God to contradict His word.
Anyway,That`s situational ethics , you are altering the Bible`s morals to suit your feelings. .

I also take issue with your stand on what you call euthanasia. Agreed I should have said compulsory euthanasia

And lastly, if the Bible does 'convict' the person, what is the draw to follow it?? That simply makes no sense to me at all.[/QUOTE] Yet it`s is still the biggest faith group in the world , and the Bible is still the best seller. So despite it not being necessarily logical, it`s the easiest thing in the world to become a Christian . Your job probably didn`t help, having to see all that " muck " all day, if you were inexperienced in the faith. These things do affect us , and only fairly heavy back up prayer and understanding of spiritual warfare can help in these type of areas.

 

[chessplayer]

JoStories imo

I don`t personally see how strong feelings you might have for someone have to express themselves physically. I like my male golfing friends and often go on holiday with them , but sexually , no thanks. I might have feelings for my friend`s wife for example or for pornography , but I can show restraint and not give in to these feelings or indulge myself by responding to these fantasies.

 

[chessplayer]

I cannot imagine why homosexuality would appeal to any man . The sight and smell of excrement is abhorrent to all people , yet that area of the anatomy seems to feature quite prominently. Forcing entry up to the elbow , with all the associated pain , tearing of flesh , and of course excrement.


That`s why IMO it`s not practiced by 95% of the population of the world.

As I said, it`s a lifestyle that represents something missing in the God / man relationship which can express itself in different ways until conversion.

Quote from the web.


Link from CDC , Centre for disease control and prevention (in America )


Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs) have been increasing among gay and bisexual men. Recent increases in syphilis cases have been documented across the country. In 2008, men who have sex with men (MSM) accounted for 63% of primary and secondary syphilis cases in the United States. MSM often are diagnosed with other bacterial STDs, including chlamydia and gonorrhea infections.


Gay and bisexual men can be infected with HPV (Human Papillomavirus), the most common STD in the United States. Some types of HPV cause genital and anal warts and some can lead to the development of anal and oral cancer. Men who have sex with men are 17 times more likely to develop anal cancer than heterosexual men. Men who are HIV-positive are even more likely than those who are uninfected to develop anal cancer. See Primary and Secondary Syphilis—Reported Cases, 2008, by Sexual Orientation.

The Bible says don`t be promiscuous and don`t practice homosexuality as it will damage you or your future family or it will kill you.

 

[chessplayer]

The Devil will do his utmost to degrade, humiliate and subsequently destroy every person he can . Jesus gives us power and control over our feelings and urges, i.e. victory over sin, death and the Devil.

The Devil is an evil swine and not to be embraced or agreed with in any way.

 

[Sundance]

Just so everyone's clear on this, Scripture does talk about homosexuality, and only thrice in the ENTIRE Bible), but even then, it only condemns MALE homosexuality. It says absolutely NOTHING about female homosexuality.

 

[chessplayer]

We need restraint in many areas of our lives.

Expressing themselves freely ,means different things to different people . To a conquering army it might mean taking what you want from the defeated people , indulging all sorts of cruel violent murderous deeds. Drivers who " lose it " in road rage and would probably kill in that moment if they had a gun . Drunken football fans stomping on the head of a rival supporter just because they feel like it.

Also expressed in anarchy and mob rule as in the riots in America every few years.

Every country in the world need to have the police to keep them under some sort of control.

Just because there is no law stopping homosexuality doesn`t make it right in God`s eyes.

We need restraint in many areas of our lives

 

[chessplayer]

Just so everyone's clear on this, Scripture does talk about homosexuality, and only thrice in the ENTIRE Bible), but even then, it only condemns MALE homosexuality. It says absolutely NOTHING about female homosexuality.

Try Romans 1 vs 26,27

 

[leibowde84]

More "reliable" than ... what?

Any other faith-based religion.

 

[chessplayer]

Can anyone tell me how to set my avatar picture ?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Can anyone tell me how to set my avatar picture ?

Just hover the mouse cursor on your username on the top right of any page here on RF and a windows will open that has "Avatar" at about the end of the first column. Click on it and the rest is self explanatory.

 

[sojourner]

I cannot imagine why homosexuality would appeal to any man .

Homosexuals cannot imagine why heterosexuality would appeal to anyone.

 

[sojourner]

The Devil will do his utmost to degrade, humiliate and subsequently destroy every person he can . Jesus gives us power and control over our feelings and urges, i.e. victory over sin, death and the Devil.

The Devil is an evil swine and not to be embraced or agreed with in any way.

Shall we exercise control over our heterosexual urges in all cases, as well?

 

[sojourner]

Satan was the one who took Jesus to the temple ( before his crucifixion , ) and said " see all these kingdoms of the world , worship me and I will give them to you, for they are mine to give !"

Isn't a pathological worship of heterosexuality to the exclusion of all else a "kingdom of this world?"

 

[chessplayer]

Shall we exercise control over our heterosexual urges in all cases, as well?

IMO and the Biblical teaching.
Hopefully if you are in a normal hetro marriage you will be faithful , if you weren`t faithful , then the adultery would severely affect your marriage and your extended family and the lives of any kids. The exception being a couple who don`t care about either the marriage or the kids or anything except their own bodily urges.

 

[sojourner]

Any other faith-based religion.

It's not. But it is one valid, theological construction.

 

[chessplayer]

Isn't a pathological worship of heterosexuality to the exclusion of all else a "kingdom of this world?"

I`m not sure where" Pathological worship "fits in, but I will attempt an answer.

No , because it`s obeying God. A "kingdom of the this world "is in opposition to the Kingdom of God.

 

[sojourner]

IMO and the Biblical teaching.
Hopefully if you are in a normal hetro marriage you will be faithful , if you weren`t faithful , then the adultery would severely affect your marriage and your extended family and the lives of any kids. The exception being a couple who don`t care about either the marriage or the kids or anything except their own bodily urges.

What if I'm in a normal, homosexual marriage?

 

[sojourner]

I`m not sure where" Pathological worship "fits in, but I will attempt an answer.

No , because it`s obeying God. A "kingdom of the this world "is in opposition to the Kingdom of God.

Homosexual love isn't "in opposition" to the kingdom of God, for the kingdom of God is love.