The Big Bang Theory is dead.

[YoursTrue]

So to state it is without error without providing any evidence to back up the claim is proselytising and can be ignored.

I'm not sure she is proselytizing but I do know she is firm in her beliefs even though things like the word 'day' does not always mean a 24 hour period. I see the warning and yes I agree the word belief can be, and should be used according to the rules regarding proselytizing. I really have not examined the King James word for word, but for the time and usage it's a pretty good version, in my opinion. Later maybe for this because if an opposing science view is expressed, it seems fair to me that the term belief should also be applied.

 

[YoursTrue]

You know well that I am Christian. You've made numerous comments about it over the years. And you also know that I never said I do not believe in the Bible. A different interpretation is not disbelief, but twist it how you like. It won't matter to me.

Ok no more now. Thank you for expressing your view.

 

[YoursTrue]

I've made no secret of it.

I can't read everyone's posts so thanks again.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes which brings up the question, why? Why does a person believe or not believe in God...?

 

[Polymath257]

Yes which brings up the question, why? Why does a person believe or not believe in God...?

It's a good question. I don't believe because, for me, evidence comes before belief. That means that, to me, religious faith is close to being evil: it is a dereliction of our duty to think for ourselves and make our own judgements and to NOT push them off onto others.

So, why do you believe?

 

[YoursTrue]

It's a good question. I don't believe because, for me, evidence comes before belief. That means that, to me, religious faith is close to being evil: it is a dereliction of our duty to think for ourselves and make our own judgements and to NOT push them off onto others.

So, why do you believe?

I will give you a little of my history. I was born and raised a Jew. My family had what the Bible says is a "form of religion," but really they had no set belief in God, although would observe the holidays (Jewish, of course) and might go to Christmas parties from work. My father came to the United States with his parents from Europe as a little boy before WWII broke out. He would sometimes say when I asked him about God, "Where was God when they killed all the Jews"? Of course I had no answer at the time and wondered and wondered but had no answer.
I no longer adhere to the Jewish way of worship but have come to recognize there IS a God who cares and I believe I follow Christ to the best of my limited ability. Since I believe in the supreme God, I leave in part the rest of the story to Him.
It's a bit complicated so I will say that I believe in God now because I also believe I have found the people that worship God as is pleasing to Him as I understand the Bible now. I believe the promises foretold now in the Bible. I also believe beyond that -- in other words, life around me but adding to that the hope I now have for the future. Peace. Life. and Love. Forever. I hope that helps.

 

[ratiocinator]

There are no errors in the King James Bible.

You've already been shown errors. You even pointed out one yourself; one passage to say people should judge and another that says not to judge. See >here<.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

You've already been shown errors. You even pointed out one yourself; one passage to say people should judge and another that says not to judge. See >here<.

A passage has to analyzed from the beginning to the end of the passage. The passage is about hypocritical judging. But verse 5 means if it not hypocritical, judging is ok.

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. - Matthew 7:1-5

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yeah well I'm still saying that gorillas and chimps were here longer

Were they?

yet they haven't built libraries, etc and more.

So what?

Sompin' changed, hmm, so it seems.

Yeah and @Polymath257 just told you what... We settled down in cities and started owning more then we can carry. We started stockpiling all kinds of stuff. A need arised to keep track of it. That's the origins of writing.

You seem to forget that homo sapiens existed for 100s of thousands of years already at that point.
If you would represent the history of homo sapiens on a 24 hour clock, humans only started writing and "building libraries etc" at around 23:30. So in the last 30 minutes.

What is your point?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So how was there such a leap of intelligence about 6000 years ago?

There wasn't.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yeah well that's not what someone else here said about reading, writing and arithmetic. Only humans have developed reading, writing, and rithmetic. Have you asked a chimpanzee why they have not developed writing to pass on their experiences??

You are replying to a post where exactly that is being explained.

Did you even read it?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Lol again. Sorry I laugh easily sometimes and get in trouble for that. These other guys don't need to live in large groups that's why you say they haven't invented writing, reading and percentage possibilities.

Are you aware that there are still tribes of people living "in the wild" today that don't have writing etc and still pretty much live using rudimentary tools and shelters?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

*Mod edit*

People sure did not.

Göbekli Tepe - Wikipedia

nl.wikipedia.org

 

[Polymath257]

Oldest dated rocks - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Göbekli Tepe - Wikipedia

nl.wikipedia.org

The second link is in Dutch. Here’s an English version.

Göbekli Tepe - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[YoursTrue]

Were they?


So what?


Yeah and @Polymath257 just told you what... We settled down in cities and started owning more then we can carry. We started stockpiling all kinds of stuff. A need arised to keep track of it. That's the origins of writing.

You seem to forget that homo sapiens existed for 100s of thousands of years already at that point.
If you would represent the history of homo sapiens on a 24 hour clock, humans only started writing and "building libraries etc" at around 23:30. So in the last 30 minutes.

What is your point?

The point is that I do not believe science is always right. As said, there is no proof in science. I know some will argue that. I do believe that the Bible is inspired of God and for those with understanding, valuable for every good teaching. The idea that men after who knows after how many years evolved genetically to the point they built cities, make documents while gorillas do not, developed reading, writing and arithmetic is beyond rational reason as far as I am concerned. Obviously not everyone shares that. Good for a sci-fi show maybe. Evolutionists will get a kick out of it, I suppose.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The point is that I do not believe science is always right. As said, there is no proof in science. I know some will argue that. I do believe that the Bible is inspired of God and for those with understanding, valuable for every good teaching. The idea that men after who knows after how many years evolved genetically to the point they built cities, make documents while gorillas do not, developed reading, writing and arithmetic is beyond rational reason as far as I am concerned. Obviously not everyone shares that. Good for a sci-fi show maybe. Evolutionists will get a kick out of it, I suppose.

Yes, there is no "proof" in science. But ideas can be shown to be wrong. When the evidence against an idea it is reasonable to conclude that it is wrong. For example though one cannot "prove gravity" the evidence for it is strong enough and the consequences of denying it are severe enough that one would be foolish for denying the existence of it. Now the consequences for denying evolution are not that high on a personal level. But there is even more evidence for evolution than there is for gravity. So why would any sane person deny it?

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, both the earth and humans existed before that. In fact, there are cities older than that. And a long period when humans existed before cities. And a long period before humans existed.

Say what you believe of course. My belief supersedes those beliefs that contradict what the Bible says. That is, of course, what I choose to believe, even if contrary to popular or unpopular opinion. The Bible says let God be true though all men are liars. I believe that and look forward to a better earth not by man's efforts but because God foreordained it.

 

[Watchmen]

Say what you believe of course. My belief supersedes those beliefs that contradict what the Bible says. That is, of course, what I choose to believe, even if contrary to popular or unpopular opinion. The Bible says let God be true though all men are liars. I believe that and look forward to a better earth not by man's efforts but because God foreordained it.

“Supersedes”? Again, you trust a bunch of ancient goat herders more than modern science?

 

[YoursTrue]

“Supersedes”? Again, you trust a bunch of ancient goat herders more than modern science?

John Steinbeck is not necessarily my point of reference for truth. His depiction of hard times, however, was sad. Anyway, as far as superseding opinion, they weren't all "goat herders," and even if they were doesn't mean they could not tell the truth. Some goat herders are probably smarter than some scientists. Have a good one.
By supersede I mean my faith overcomes obstacles such as people like you present. And I'm glad about that. Again, have a good one.

 

[vijeno]

they weren't all "goat herders,"

No, some of them owned chickens.

By supersede I mean my faith overcomes obstacles such as people like you present. And I'm glad about that.

Can you name an example of something that might change your mind?