The blind faith of the evolutionists

[Ouroboros]

How is telling someone to read books and go to school a silly and childish...and stupid thing to say?

Especially since people have been explaining evolution to you for a while now...

And also, if I wanted to understand Islam, it wouldn't be silly or childish to expect me to take a class or read a book about it and try to educate myself about it first. On the other hand, to just throw out silly questions and not spending time trying to understand the answers, that's actually childish.

 

[Skwim]

Those in the link are about adaptation and not about evolving to a different kind of species.

But adaptation is a process of evolution. Evolving into a new species doesn't happen over night. That takes T I M E!!! Usually LOTS of time. And, sometimes adaptions lead to speciation, and sometimes they don't.

How do you know it isn't a goal directed

Because that's not how evolution works. An organism doesn't decide I want to become X, and then goes about evolving toward that end (goal). I strongly suggest you look into evolution a bit to see what it's all about: what it is and how it works.



EDITED TO NOTE.
Just took the time to watch the video in your OP. In a word, it's pathetic. Not surprising, just pathetic.

 

[FearGod]

Two points I want to make:

1. I spent money and time to read books with hundreds of pages. To explain everything in evolution and what I've learned in just a few paragraphs is a silly requirement. It takes time and effort to learn the details of science and evolution as well.

2. I don't know much about Islam. If I wanted to know what the Qur'an says and have some insights into Islam, it would not be silly to consider to go to a class, read the Qur'an, or even just read a book about Islam. It would be intellectually laziness from my end if I refused to educate myself and just ask silly questions on a forum and expect to have everything handed to me in a few paragraphs. The same goes for evolution. Some things are very evident to understand and are explained if you just read a book about it or simply google it. To just throw silly questions out there and expect professional 500 pages essays as a responses that will only take you 3 seconds to read and comprehend, is a childish expectation.

Do you mean that all those who have been interviewed in the posted video are poor in science and you are better than them all.

Who are you ?

 

[Ouroboros]

I don't accept rubbish explanations,sorry

So you're saying that hox genes are rubbish?

And you're saying that the links I gave you to articles about evolved species in our time are all rubbish too?

 

[FearGod]

So you're saying that hox genes are rubbish?

And you're saying that the links I gave you to articles about evolved species in our time are all rubbish too?

What you mentioned is off topic and hence it was rubbish.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

What you mentioned is off topic and hence it was rubbish.

How was it off topic?

 

[Ouroboros]

Do you mean that all those who have been interviewed in the posted video are poor in science and you are better than them all.

No. That's why I'm saying that you should educate yourself and not take my word for it!!!

I can only give you a summary of what I know from the science classes I took and the text books I read. I don't remember everything and I might even be wrong about some things. That's why it would benefit you sooooooo much to actually pick up some science books or read some scientific articles that we have linked to several times in this thread. If you don't take the time to even read the links, then why should anyone bother?

Who are you ?

I'm no body. So who are you? Why don't you get up from the chair and pick up a scientific book about evolution instead of watching propaganda videos online?

 

[Ouroboros]

What you mentioned is off topic and hence it was rubbish.

Hox genes are off topic? How?

You asked about speciation. Hox genes play a huge part in that.

You also asked about observed speciation in our time. I gave you links to several articles about it. How is that off topic unless your own question about speciation is in itself off topic?

Or are you saying that someone answering your question is basically off topic?
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Edit:

I'm going to correct myself. Hox genes are only part of the body plan genes. The homeotic genes are the overarching gene family and hox genes are only one big part of them.

Homeotic genes cause the development of specific structures in plants and animals. They include many of the Hox and ParaHox genes which are important for segmentation,[1] They also include the MADS-box-containing genes involved the ABC model of flower development.[2] Not all homeotic genes are Hox genes; the MADS- box genes are homeotic but not Hox genes. Thus, the Hox genes are a proper subset of homeotic genes.
Homeotic genes are genes involved in developmental patterns and sequences. For example, homeotic genes are involved in determining where, when, and how body segments develop in flies. Alterations in these genes cause changes in patterns of body parts, sometimes causing dramatic effects such as legs growing in place of antennae or an extra set of wings or, in the case of plants, flowers with abnormal numbers of parts. An individual carrying an altered (mutant) version of a homeotic gene is known as a homeotic mutant.

Wiki

 

[FearGod]

But adaptation is a process of evolution. Evolving into a new species doesn't happen over night. That takes T I M E!!! Usually LOTS of time. And, sometimes adaptions lead to speciation, and sometimes they don't.

My discussion is about macroevolution as it can't be observed since it takes very long period of time and hence as the video had showed that they have faith that it happened but no one had observed it happening.

Because that's not how evolution works. An organism doesn't decide I want to become X, and then goes about evolving toward that end (goal). I strongly suggest you look into evolution a bit to see what it's all about: what it is and how it works.

Not directed so it is by randomness,and that make no sense.

 

[Parsimony]

FearGod, can you describe how naturalistic evolution is proposed to work? Can you give a brief summary of the processes that are claimed to be involved by scientists? I'm wondering how accurate your understanding is.

 

[FearGod]

Hox genes are off topic? How?

You asked about speciation. Hox genes play a huge part in that.

You also asked about observed speciation in our time. I gave you links to several articles about it. How is that off topic unless your own question about speciation is in itself off topic?

Or are you saying that someone answering your question is basically off topic?
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Edit:

I'm going to correct myself. Hox genes are only part of the body plan genes. The homeotic genes are the overarching gene family and hox genes are only one big part of them.


Wiki

What is the role of hox gene in the human evolution and how is that related in observing evolution while in action.

What happened to the hox gene while mammals evolved from fish,would you pls explain it to me ?

 

[Skwim]

My discussion is about macroevolution as it can't be observed since it takes very long period of time and hence as the video had showed that they have faith that it happened but no one had observed it happening.

Think the ice ages are just a hoax? How about the volcanic formation of the Hawaiian Islands? Just another hoax because no one saw it happen?

Not directed so it is by randomness,and that make no sense.

Sure it's directed. It's directed by the forces of adaptation which involve mutations, genetic drift, genetic hitchhiking, gene flow, and natural selection. Look it up. I dare you to educate yourself. Double dog dare you !

 

[Monk Of Reason]

My discussion is about macroevolution as it can't be observed since it takes very long period of time and hence as the video had showed that they have faith that it happened but no one had observed it happening.

Faith based on evidence is no longer faith. Just because we didn't view it happening with our own two eyes doesn't mean that there isn't evidence for it. We have never seen pluto go round a full orbit around the sun. Do you feel that the most logical thing to do is to assume that it does not orbit the sun?

Not directed so it is by randomness,and that make no sense.

Actually it is systematically produced and directed through natural selection. There is some randomness involved but it is not blind randomness.

 

[Ouroboros]

What is the role of hox gene in the human evolution and how is that related in observing evolution while in action.

What happened to the hox gene while mammals evolved from fish,would you pls explain it to me ?

The hox genes changed. When they mutate, you get different body shapes.

It's like having an equation for a graph in an x-y plane. Change a term here and there slightly and the whole graph changes slightly. Keep on changing many times and the end graph will be completely different than the original.

Simple example:

f(x) = cos(1.5x)
f(x) = cos(1.6x)
f(x) = cos(1.7x)
...
f(x) = cos(100x)

All these slightly different. The first and the last one very different from each other.

We can see and have documented hox gene mutations in our lifetime. We know they happen.

 

[FearGod]

The hox genes changed. When they mutate, you get different body shapes.

It's like having an equation for a graph in an x-y plane. Change a term here and there slightly and the whole graph changes slightly. Keep on changing many times and the end graph will be completely different than the original.

Simple example:

f(x) = cos(1.5x)
f(x) = cos(1.6x)
f(x) = cos(1.7x)
...
f(x) = cos(100x)

All these slightly different. The first and the last one very different from each other.

We can see and have documented hox gene mutations in our lifetime. We know they happen.

So if hox gene mutate in randomness then the nose can be placed close to the anus ,,etc

So there are many mutations happening and the one with the nose near the anus will die,maybe due to bad smell and another one will have the nose up the head,so the one on the face will stay alive and hence pass the same gene to the off spring.

Did you know that had happened millions of years ago ?

 

[Ouroboros]

Feargod, the answer is no. If you don't want to be serious, then you're obviously not interested in hearing the answers.

 

[Farrukh]

some extremely bad people who denied Allah and his messengers and followed evil were turned into apes and swine, i think it supports evolutionists.


Say: "Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from God? those who incurred the curse of God and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil;- these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!" (The Noble Quran, 5:60)

 

[FearGod]

some extremely bad people who denied Allah and his messengers and followed evil were turned into apes and swine, i think it supports evolutionists.


Say: "Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from God? those who incurred the curse of God and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil;- these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!" (The Noble Quran, 5:60)

And that explains why pigs genomes are very close to humans too which let one scientist to come up with a new theory which says that modern humans were a product of a successful love story between one chimp and a pig.

'Humans evolved after a female chimpanzee mated with a pig': Extraordinary claim made by American geneticist

Read more: 'Humans evolved after a female chimpanzee mated with a pig': Extraordinary claim made by American geneticist | Mail Online

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[Debater Slayer]

I'm not an expert in evolutionary biology, but I don't think the theory of evolution relies on or requires blind faith at all. Most biologists accept it as a scientific fact, and from what I know about the theory, it makes the most sense to me out of the other presumed explanations of the diversity of life on Earth.

I don't think the theory of evolution has anything to do with belief or lack thereof in a deity or deities. It is a purely scientific theory, so it is a separate subject from metaphysics and theology.

 

[Looncall]

My discussion is about macroevolution as it can't be observed since it takes very long period of time and hence as the video had showed that they have faith that it happened but no one had observed it happening.



Not directed so it is by randomness,and that make no sense.

We know by observation that variations (mutations) occur when organisms reproduce. Which variations happen is partly random. Natural selection then affects which variations persist. This too has been observed and is not a random process.

Please explain how the process I have described could fail to result in even large changes through time.