kai
ragamuffin
i dont think there is an answer to your points. i think its very important that the challenge be so ambiguous. after all no one is supposed to succeed.
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The Challenge in the Qur'an
- Thread starter YmirGF
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i dont think there is an answer to your points. i think its very important that the challenge be so ambiguous. after all no one is supposed to succeed.
Ghostaka
Active Member
What does "similarities between them" show you in this case? Every prophet must submit to the Will of Allah in order to be so. That's was Muslims means. One who submits to the Will of Allah. All religious scriptures were one [in promoting the worship of One; namely, Allah] until deviation in this case except for Islam; because it still directs your submission and worship to Allah Alone. It's almost as if the other religous scriptures have been subjected 'Chinese Whispers' leaving only a few (compared to amount of other) things the same.
Peace be upon you.
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(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
Ghostaka
Active Member
Evidently not; since it was only recently -- by a couple of hundred years-- put into science books. Meanwhile, 1400+ years ago, it was mentioned in the Qur'an...
.Peace be upon you.
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(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
kai
ragamuffin
well done thats very good :yes:
kai
ragamuffin
Evidently not; since it was only recently -- by a couple of hundred years-- put into science books. Meanwhile, 1400+ years ago, it was mentioned in the Qur'an...
Peace be upon you.
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(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
Oh come on that must be the worst example ever of a miracle! an absolute dullard could look up and note that the sun is radiant and the moon is a light
Ghostaka
Active Member
I suppose it could easily boil down to simple observation...
It's dark when one is out, it's light when there is another, one hurts your eyes to look at, the other doesn't.
Exactly man! And yet z "scientists" weren't even able to derive that much to stick into their science books!
Peace be upon you.
kai
ragamuffin
where do you get that idea? the Ancient Greeks studied eclipses any one who studies eclipses would see that the Moon doesnt produce its own light.
Aristotle for one used it to show that the earth was round
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Ghostaka
Active Member
Who is this anyone? And why wasn't it done earlier?
So you're telling me that it took an advance civilization to find out the Earth was spherical? And when exactly did that happen?
Peace be upon you.
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(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
Princess Of Peace
Member
It was known well before Muhammed was even born.
It might be worth watching this video on the alleged science miracles in the Quran
YouTube - Scientific Miracles in the Qur'an?
kai
ragamuffin
Aristotle lived 384 BC – 322 BC
Ghostaka
Active Member
I'll get back to you with a response until then, enjoy:
It might be worth watching this video on the proven science miracles in the Qur'an.
YouTube - * [Holy] Quran : Top Scientists Comments on Scientific Miracles in the Quran * # Faith and Science #
Peace.
Ghostaka
Active Member
You've been chewing on C4 and haven't noticed...
In light of your words in the previous posts; Muhammad (PBUH) therefore could not have "forged" the Qur'an.
Peace be upon you.
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(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
kai
ragamuffin
You've been chewing on C4 and haven't noticed...
In light of your words in the previous posts; Muhammad (PBUH) therefore could not have "forged" the Qur'an.
Peace be upon you.
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(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
I dont think i ever came to that conclusion. but please let me know what you mean?
I think i know what you mean . the problem lies with Muslims who wish to somehow prove the Quran with scientific miracles instead of being strong within their own faith. I would not say it was forged at all , it is what it is. you have to be very careful when you say that no one knew, this or no one knew that, the earths civilisations are sometimes underestimated in their knowledge. Its not the Quran thats wrong its the people that use it as some kind of scientific hand book attempting to reverse engineer.
You see the Quran isnt claiming no one knew these things until the Quran , you are!
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I see something else: different messages for different cultures with different tendencies, but each contains the same overall message, which is known as the Golden Rule.
I know what "muslim" and "islam" mean, by the way. ^_^
Princess Of Peace
Member
They're not proven miracles. How exactly can statements that may have scientific merit be proof of there being a divine origin? Many of the verses claimed to be miraculous are either too vague or were known beforehand. Muhammed was a merchant, he travelled all over Arabia and probably made contact with all sorts of people, he was not completely ignorant. Not knowing how to read doesn't mean he couldn't communicate with people and learn a bit about foetal development.
I would like to see someone try and publish this science miracle stuff in a scientific journal as proof of the divine.
I have been reading some interesting stuff on the so called challenge which has reinforced my first thought that it never was a universal challenge and read in context it is clear it is a rebuttle to the Quaraish,the challenge that never was is taken from these
- Al-Baqarah 2: 23
- Yunus 10: 38
- Hu'd 11: 13
- Al-Israa 17: 85 - 88
- Al-Toor 52: 33 - 34
riverfox
A slave of Allah (swt)
:biglaugh: Excuse me i just had to laugh, :tsk: After you lost the challenge you want to claim that it wasn't meant to be for you ?! You shouldn't..As the Qur'an says you lost it you should now as the Qur'an says fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) (and the glorious Qur'an) was sent to all the people.
[Al-Qur'an 34:38]
And We have not sent thee (O Muhammad) save as a bringer of good tidings and a warner unto all mankind; but most of mankind know not.
Said people not only Arabs.
2:21-25
O ye people! Adore your Guardian-Lord, who created you and those who came before you, that ye may have the chance to learn righteousness;Who has made the earth your couch, and the heavens your canopy; and sent down rain from the heavens; and brought forth therewithFruits for your sustenance; then set not up rivals unto Allah when ye know(the truth).And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call yourwitnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) aretrue.But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow.Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is whatwe were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (forever).
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kai
ragamuffin
he hasn't lost the challenge no one can tell him what to do if he wants to take it up! we keep asking but we get no consensus so one last time .
the challenge:
whats the criteria?
who is going to judge it?
we cant keep going round and round here if you dont know just say!
If you do know, then tell us and name your source!