The Challenge in the Qur'an

[England my lionheart]

Good morning Esalam,ok if you go to Surahlikeit.com you will see many surahs that people have presented that are like it,ok so far,now i am not saying they are or not as thats irrelevant but who will judge them and by what criteria that is generally agreed and where is this information in the Quran.
If somebody produces a Surah like it how will they know,who will tell them ,who has been empowered to decide and by whom,as you see there are many questions that STILL have'nt been answered,so instead of going round and round lets have a substantiated answer.

 

[Gharib]

Good morning Esalam,ok if you go to Surahlikeit.com you will see many surahs that people have presented that are like it,ok so far,now i am not saying they are or not as thats irrelevant but who will judge them and by what criteria that is generally agreed and where is this information in the Quran.
If somebody produces a Surah like it how will they know,who will tell them ,who has been empowered to decide and by whom,as you see there are many questions that STILL have'nt been answered,so instead of going round and round lets have a substantiated answer.

good evening england.

nice opener, i like it.

ok i do not mean to be rude, but just how much is the level of understanding around here?

once the chapter has been created, it will tell itself whether it is comparable to those of the quran. thats the whole idea to make a chapter better than those of the quran.

there was no criteria for the quran, Allah (swt) revealed what ever he willed. so how hard could it be to just make a chapter, oh right forgot it is hard thats why no one has produced it yet.

do you see where i'm getting at?

there is no special criteria, it can be about anything, it can have any name, and it will reveal it's secret by itself whether it is better or equal to the chapters of the quran. or whether it is a misserable failure that who ever takes the challenge and fails will suffer in hell. do not make anymore excuses, please, everything has already been explained.

 

[England my lionheart]

OK the one on a Surahlikeit.com is equal the the challenge what now?

 

[Gharib]

OK the one on a Surahlikeit.com is equal the the challenge what now?

so isn't anyone going to take the challenge themself or was this whole thread about trying to "prove" some point, that Ymir just mentioned a few pages back?

i did say i wanted to see what other excuses the non muslims are going to make once their other excuses have been dealt with.

i guess this is the next one, right. ENTER THE VORTEX.

 

[riverfox]

You claim that there isn't anything special in the Qur'an.then surely you think there isn't any thing special in a Qur'an like right ?
What do you find special in suralikeit.com ? Present it and we all using the Qur'an will judge whether it is like the Qur'an or not.

 

[England my lionheart]

If the the so called challenge has be met by Surahlikeit.com then whats the point of taking it up,what i am asking is simple,they say the challenge has been met so what happens now?

 

[England my lionheart]

You claim that there isn't anything special in the Qur'an.then surely you think there isn't any thing special in a Qur'an like right ?
What do you find special in suralikeit.com ? Present it and we all using the Qur'an will judge whether it is like the Qur'an or not.

On whose authority and by what criteria and if agreed that it is indeed equal to the Quran (which i doubt) will you judge it impartially(i very much doubt it) what happens if it is equal or even surpasses just one Surah.

 

[riverfox]

If the the so called challenge has be met by Surahlikeit.com then whats the point of taking it up,what i am asking is simple,they say the challenge has been met so what happens now?

I'll make simpler
You claim that there isn't anything special in the Qur'an.then surely you think there isn't any thing special in a Qur'an like right ?
What do you find special in suralikeit.com ? Present it and we all using the Qur'an will judge whether it is like the Qur'an or not.Then we'll see what happens now.

 

[Gharib]

On whose authority and by what criteria and if agreed that it is indeed equal to the Quran (which i doubt) will you judge it impartially(i very much doubt it) what happens if it is equal or even surpasses just one Surah.

there we go, i wasted my time answering your questions, and yet this criteria thing comes up again, round and round we go, oh the vortex. anyone want to go in first?

 

[Gharib]

england.

the chapter will reveal the criteria itself.

it will tell whether it is comparable to the chapters of the quran or not, when you look at it, and read it thoroughly.

i will have to repeat this again in a few pages aren't i?

 

[England my lionheart]

I'll make simpler
You claim that there isn't anything special in the Qur'an.then surely you think there isn't any thing special in a Qur'an like right ?
What do you find special in suralikeit.com ? Present it and we all using the Qur'an will judge whether it is like the Qur'an or not.Then we'll see what happens now.

I wanted to copy and paste but it would'nt let me so you will have to click on the link suralikeit.comwhich should take you to Sura Al Hayat and other Sura's,they are saying that this and others are Suras like the Qurans.

 

[kai]

ok you still didn't understand my posts, not the one to mestemia and not the one to you.

the quran has been judged by the people, Allah (swt) tells them to judge it, he tells people to find 1 single error or contradiction in it. doesn't that kind of give it away?

how much more do i need to explain this?

do you understand it now?

no you still are not answering the question. are you the ridler?

Now we hear that the sura will judge itself well thats OK then. alls well that ends well phew!l I am glad that's cleared up.


Ladies and Gentleman -------the sura will judge itself!

 

[ManTimeForgot]

I challenge anyone to reproduce the founding of calculus using only the knowledge available at the time. Oh look, 99.999999% of people can't do it. Therefore calculus must be a divine mandate and everything derived from it must be absolutely true because it came from the "prophet" Isaac Newton.


"Evidencing" your religion with a sucker's bet and then telling people they only strength the claim when they try and call you on the fact that it is a sucker's bet doesn't exactly engender trust in other people. Most people think you are trying to con them when you do so.


And if you are not able to see how the form of the "challenge" is ludicrous on its face, then I will posit one of the same structure. See how you like it.


I propose that Beethoven was actually a prophet of the one true God. His works are of unsurpassed beauty. And his 9th symphony was written while deaf. I challenge anyone to write a similar symphony while being deaf, for if you cannot it must be the case that Beethoven was in fact a prophet of the one true God.

MTF

 

[Gharib]

no you still are not answering the question. are you the ridler?

whats a ridler, but i'm not one anyway.

Now we hear that the sura will judge itself well thats OK then. alls well that ends well phew!l I am glad that's cleared up.


Ladies and Gentleman -------the sura will judge itself!

i knew either you or england were going to do that.

look i don't think i'm saying that right.

let me try again for the thousand time.

once the surah has been created, it will be easy to notice wether it is closely comparable to those of the quran or not.

how can you possibly judge something when there is nothing to judge?

do it if you can, which i doubt anyone can or will, then it should be a peice of cake to judge it. there will be so many questions that by the time the questions are answered it will have been determined whether it is good or not.

does that make any sense? the way things are going i even doubt my self if i can actually speak english or not. so?

 

[McBell]

produce a chapter.
it will judge itself, just as the quran has judged itself, no one judged the quran.
i don't know about that, there might be something in the hadith.
poly want a cracker?
talking about parrots, didn't Ymir just say this?
you have been excused, ROTFLMFAO
yeah that makes sence, i must say that is the only thing that makes sense coming from you.

I see.
So you cannot even be bothered to take your own Gods challenge seriously.
Says a lot about not only you, but also your God.

Personally, I would be ashamed, but you seem to be more than content...
To each their own.

 

[Gharib]

I see.
So you cannot even be bothered to take your own Gods challenge seriously.
Says a lot about not only you, but also your God.

Personally, I would be ashamed, but you seem to be more than content...
To each their own.

i don't get it what are you saying mestemia?

 

[England my lionheart]

whats a ridler, but i'm not one anyway.



i knew either you or england were going to do that.

look i don't think i'm saying that right.

let me try again for the thousand time.

once the surah has been created, it will be easy to notice wether it is closely comparable to those of the quran or not.

how can you possibly judge something when there is nothing to judge?

do it if you can, which i doubt anyone can or will, then it should be a peice of cake to judge it. there will be so many questions that by the time the questions are answered it will have been determined whether it is good or not.

does that make any sense? the way things are going i even doubt my self if i can actually speak english or not. so?

So if the majority of the people of the world agree that Suralikeit.com have equalled the Quran then what would happen.

 

[England my lionheart]

No it does'nt make sense,so for this challenge to be completed and judged everybody who could be bothered or cared would have to compare and decide if the challenge has been met.
This does'nt make sense at all,a challenge goes like this,for example the heavyweight Boxing Champion of the world is challenged for his title by another Boxer,the criteria for taking the title are the contender must either knock out the champion or score more punches than the champion and if succesful will be the new world champion.
So if the majority of the people of the world agree that Suralikeit.com have equalled the Quran then what would happen

 

[YmirGF]

Of course
hundreds of miracles,Please everybody i'm asking you,before you frustrate them. try to reply to them,and answer how could people 1400 years ago know all these
Books have been written at that time on scientific facts ? Show them.

What baffles me about this kind of question is the supposition that Muhammad understood many of these things as we now understand them.

The answer to the question is simple. How could people 1400 years ago know all these (things)?

It's as simple as it is obvious - Muhammad didn't understand science as we do and that is why his descriptions are so utterly vague. This is just an example of Muslims reading far too much into the Qur'an. The net result is that the question is somewhat meaningless and says more about the writer of the question than it does about the oxymoron "scientific miracles" in the Qur'an.

 

[YmirGF]

You don't even want to try to meet this challenge right ?

How can one meet this so-called "challenge" if there is no criteria for doing the challenge?

2.24
But if ye cannot, and of a surety ye cannot, then fear the fire whose fuel is Men and Stones, which is prepared for those who reject Faith.

Then to top it all off, is the promise that those who take on the challenge will meet a fate worse than death because they accepted the challenge.

Do you seriously expect us to believe that Muslims would be able to be objective about analyzing any potential challenge?