The Challenge in the Qur'an

[Breathe]

Do you seriously expect us to believe that Muslims would be able to be objective about analyzing any potential challenge?

Only a kufr, and thus, not a Muslim any more.

I asked about the criteria a while ago, but I didn't really get an answer for it.

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For example, why Arabic when the Bible was written in Hebrew and Aramaic?

 

[England my lionheart]

Guess we have to be patient in waiting for the verdict on a Suralikeit.com,i wonder how long

 

[YmirGF]

Guess we have to be patient in waiting for the verdict on a Suralikeit.com,i wonder how long

My guess is that even if something did measure up, due to injunctions in the Qur'an, Muslims would not be able to admit it.

 

[Riverwolf]

I was going to ask you what's the miracle behind it, but i think i'll show you that the hindu scriptures speak about Muhammad (PBUH) YouTube - Prophet MUHAMMAD in Hindu Scriptures A miracle !.

Hindu prophecy, which I, by the way, don't acknowledge anymore than I acknowledge other prophecies (i.e., not at all), speaks of a future incarnation of Visnu, called Kalki, who is not due for another couple hundred thousand years. Visnu is an aspect of God. Muslims do not believe God incarnates into anything, and therefore the prophcey cannot be speaking of Mohammad.

I say the Bhagavad-Gita is greater than the Qur'an becasue it is more beautiful and more inspiring. I do not need miracles to tell me whether or not something should be followed; critical analysis of the text, and how it applies to everyday life, is more than sufficient.

 

[Sajdah]

For example, why Arabic when the Bible was written in Hebrew and Aramaic?

Because Arabic is the language of the holy Qur'an not Hebrew or Aramaic, and the original language of the verse of the challenge you are debating on is in Arabic, but the meaning of it was translated into different languages by HUMANS, just to make it easier for people to understand the meanings of verses......Do you know Odion that Muslims "Must" recite the holy Qur'an in Arabic? Even if it was so hard for them to so. (They will be rewarded for trying, as prophet Muhammad PBUH said).
Also one of the many Miracles of the Qur'an is its language...Besides the very obvious difference of the language of Qur'an and the language of Hadiths.

Edit: I just want to clarify the last point, I mean that the Qur'an contains the verbatim words of Allah SWT, while Hadiths contain the message of Allah conveyed to people by the prophet's own words.

 

[kai]

Because Arabic is the language of the holy Qur'an not Hebrew or Aramaic, and the original language of the verse of the challenge you are debating on is in Arabic, but the meaning of it was translated into different languages by HUMANS, just to make it easier for people to understand the meanings of verses......Do you know Odion that Muslims "Must" recite the holy Qur'an in Arabic? Even if it was so hard for them to so. (They will be rewarded for trying, as prophet Muhammad PBUH said).
Also one of the many Miracles of the Qur'an is its language...Besides the very obvious difference of the language of Qur'an and the language of Hadiths.

Edit: I just want to clarify the last point, I mean that the Qur'an contains the verbatim words of Allah SWT, while Hadiths contain the message of Allah conveyed to people by the prophet's own words.

So god chose Arabic to convey his revelation to the prophet thereby choosing Arabs to submit and spread the word , the word must be perpetually Arabic , so are we dealing with another chosen people here?

 

[England my lionheart]

My guess is that even if something did measure up, due to injunctions in the Qur'an, Muslims would not be able to admit it.

The other stumbling block is they don't know the criteria by which to judge it.

 

[Gharib]

The other stumbling block is they don't know the criteria by which to judge it.

i see this is still keeping you guys alive, even though it has been answered many times. one word, VORTEX.

 

[England my lionheart]

I have always thought like many others that the Quran is a The thing that strikes me in the challenge is a rough copy of the books of the Bible etc which we are always told that
Muhammed was illiterate and so had no access to the scriptures and yet

Now that the Truth has come to them from Us, they are saying: "Why is he (Muhammad) not given the like of what was given to Musa?" Have they not rejected that which was given to Musa before? They claim: "These (Torah and Qur'an) are the two works of sorcery complementing each other!" And they say: "We believe in neither." Ask them: "Bring a Book from Allah which is a better guide THAN THESE TWO, I will follow it, if what you say be true!" S. 28:48-49 Malik

here in black and white we have the Quran references Moses's book,so not only has the challenge been met but here we have proof that Muhammed did have knowledge of the book of Moses.

 

[England my lionheart]

i see this is still keeping you guys alive, even though it has been answered many times. one word, VORTEX.

Morning Esalam,where has it been answered?

 

[Gharib]

I have always thought like many others that the Quran is a The thing that strikes me in the challenge is a rough copy of the books of the Bible etc which we are always told that
Muhammed was illiterate and so had no access to the scriptures and yet

Now that the Truth has come to them from Us, they are saying: "Why is he (Muhammad) not given the like of what was given to Musa?" Have they not rejected that which was given to Musa before? They claim: "These (Torah and Qur'an) are the two works of sorcery complementing each other!" And they say: "We believe in neither." Ask them: "Bring a Book from Allah which is a better guide THAN THESE TWO, I will follow it, if what you say be true!" S. 28:48-49 Malik

here in black and white we have the Quran references Moses's book,so not only has the challenge been met but here we have proof that Muhammed did have knowledge of the book of Moses.

Muhammed (saws) is not the creator of the quran, he is only the receiver of it.

the torah is from Allah (swt) also, so how can you use gods word to dissprove gods word?

 

[England my lionheart]

Muhammed (saws) is not the creator of the quran, he is only the receiver of it.

the torah is from Allah (swt) also, so how can you use gods word to dissprove gods word?

What proof is there that either are Gods word? and i have been on other threads where i have been told that Muhammed had no knowledge of the old scriptures and this says otherwise.

 

[Gharib]

What proof is there that either are Gods word?

because both prophets were from the one god.

and i have been on other threads where i have been told that Muhammed had no knowledge of the old scriptures and this says otherwise.

the verses don't say that. they say the quran is similar to the torah (i think) so that would explain that they are from the one same god.

 

[England my lionheart]

This is one reason why i say that its faith and not fact,if its something you believe fine thats your personal choice but its when you try to promote it as fact that you invite scrutiny and criticism,i would need a whole lot more to believe either book which of course nobody can produce.

 

[England my lionheart]

because both prophets were from the one god.

Proof?



the verses don't say that. they say the quran is similar to the torah (i think) so that would explain that they are from the one same god.

OK lets say Torah,so he did have knowledge of the Torah.

 

[Gharib]

This is one reason why i say that its faith and not fact,if its something you believe fine thats your personal choice but its when you try to promote it as fact that you invite scrutiny and criticism,i would need a whole lot more to believe either book which of course nobody can produce.

but how is it not fact, when both books are almost the same?

and that is what was said in that verse.

you see, you use the verses as facts against muslims but when the favour is returned in the same way, then it becomes just a belief, why is that england?

 

[Gharib]

Proof?

both received a revelation from god, which happen to be almost identical.

read them both if you wish, but you must take into consideration the changes.

OK lets say Torah,so he did have knowledge of the Torah.

how did he have knowledge of the torah, you are confussing me with this.

 

[England my lionheart]

but how is it not fact, when both books are almost the same?

and that is what was said in that verse.

you see, you use the verses as facts against muslims but when the favour is returned in the same way, then it becomes just a belief, why is that england?

Because thats just what they are books that you believe in and so what if they are the same,although Esalam i have been told many times that they are'nt the same but lets go with your answer and say they are and one could be just a loose copy of the other.
You see Esalam its all down to what you believe,for you the Quran is the word of God,to me the Torah,Quran and Gospels are just books that were written a long time ago by the hand of Men.

 

[England my lionheart]

both received a revelation from god, which happen to be almost identical.

read them both if you wish, but you must take into consideration the changes.
What proof is there that they recieved a revelation from God


how did he have knowledge of the torah, you are confussing me with this.

Now that the Truth has come to them from Us, they are saying: "Why is he (Muhammad) not given the like of what was given to Musa?" Have they not rejected that which was given to Musa before? They claim: "These (Torah and Qur'an) are the two works of sorcery complementing each other!" And they say: "We believe in neither." Ask them: "Bring a Book from Allah which is a better guide THAN THESE TWO, I will follow it, if what you say be true!" S. 28:48-49 Malik

Musa/Moses is referenced.

 

[England my lionheart]

The last jury that judged the challenge,they obviously did'nt know the criteria either