Unfortunately nobody seems to know the criteria for the challenge or who will judge it,"The true Furqan" seems to have been judge but it is unclear by who,confusing isn't it.
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The Challenge in the Qur'an
- Thread starter YmirGF
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Sajdah
Al-Aqsa Is In My Heart.
Hi Odion 
I don't think that "All non-Muslims" are dishonest, ignorants, and biased....There are some of them who are truthful.....Like the Man Who Challenged the Qur'an.
I don't think that "All non-Muslims" are dishonest, ignorants, and biased....There are some of them who are truthful.....Like the Man Who Challenged the Qur'an.
McBell
Unbound
"Certified" by who?
Seems to me that Allah himself issued the challenge.
So why would there needs be a "certified" list of instructions?
I have already stated that there are people actually changing the challenge that Allah himself issued.
I saw nowhere in the verses listed where Allah states that His challenge must be answered in Arabic, ancient or otherwise.
Yet that seems to be the most popular "condition" that has been ADDED to Allah's challenge.
kai
ragamuffin
Finally, there is virtually nobody would be able to judge it impartially - if a non-Muslim were to say "This is easily equal to the Qur'an!" that would be insulting to the Muslims, and yet virtually no/almost no/no Muslim would really be able to say "This is equal to the Qur'an!" - not like I could blame them, as it's part of their religion that the Qur'an is unmatchable.
Invidentally, how many Muslims have actually checked out suralikeit.com already? And what do you make of them? What makes you believe they do not pass the test?
Hi Odion
I don't think that "All non-Muslims" are dishonest, ignorants, and biased....There are some of them who are truthful.....Like the Man Who Challenged the Qur'an.
only the ones that dont revert eh
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
So you think that insulting those who do not wish to revert to Islam is a good tactic?
I don't suppose you could just answer my questions about where I can find certified details of what is expected from the challenger? Can you tell us who judges the results?
Should I be impressed with the story of a "revert" to Islam?
GURSIKH
chardi kla
aslaam to all ,many religious ppls ( especially Abrahmic ) have a childish notion that ; only their Daddy is strongest ) , i think this is totally absurd and cause of agresssion , even bloodshed . so i pray that these ppls unvield themselves and live in light ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________.i also have one question to my Muslim frds regarding Quran .is it written in Quran that Prophet Mohammad ji is last Prophet ;_____________________________________________Khuda Hafiz
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nawab
Active Member
yes it is mention that, There will be a prophet after Jesus in the Quran
And remember Jesus, the Son of Maryam (Mary), when he said, "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah, sent to you, confirming the law which came before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name will be Ahmed." But when he came to them with vivid signs, they said, "This is apparent magic." Surah 16:6
Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things. Surah 33:40
the word for Seal of the prophets is Khatam-e-Nabiyen, Khatam in Arabic, urdu means finish/last
And remember Jesus, the Son of Maryam (Mary), when he said, "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of Allah, sent to you, confirming the law which came before me, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name will be Ahmed." But when he came to them with vivid signs, they said, "This is apparent magic." Surah 16:6
Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets; and Allah is ever Aware of all things. Surah 33:40
the word for Seal of the prophets is Khatam-e-Nabiyen, Khatam in Arabic, urdu means finish/last
I don't think you are correct,from what i have read there is no mention of Muhammed.
No, it's there. I just checked.
I am talking of the Bible,sorry i must have dementia doh
Oh, I get it.
Remember, Muslims believe that Jesus's gospel was tampered with by men.
Yes they believe that its unreliable except the part in Isiah that mentions an illiterate Man which of course they say is Muhammed.
Ghostaka
Active Member
The "bible" is not the only scripture that refer to the arrival of Muhammad (PBUH). As for the reliability... there are more than (?) 50 versions of the Bible and not anywhere does it mention therein that it is a bible. It is not us who believe that they are unreliable, the scholars of each religion with scriptures have acknowledged that their scriptures have been tampered with/modified during the ages themselves; except for Islam.
In Chapter 2 (The Cow) of the Holy Qur'an, Allah says:
77. But do they not know that Allāh knows what they conceal and what they declare?
78. And among them are unlettered ones who do not know the Scripture except in wishful thinking, but they are only assuming.
79. So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allāh," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
Every scripture in the world (if it is claimed to be from God) has a reference to the coming of Muhammed (PBUH) and his message as well as that God is One.
Peace be upon you.
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(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
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Interesting,but does it actually say anywhere in the books of the Bible that an illiterate Man called Muhammed/Mohammed/Muhammet is comming,i don't think it does,it does however mention an illiterate Man and a literate Man in the book of Isiah so perhaps its an assumption that this is Muhammed.
Or is it from Deutronomy 18.18
Ghostaka
Active Member
I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.’ [John 16:2-15]
Muhammad (PBUH) is mentioned by name in Hebrew. It is not an assumption, it is fact. Muhammad (PBUH) is mentioned in the original scriptures and preserved in the Hebrew language. This is the Old Testament. My friend, if you really do find it "interesting" ... I suggest you have a look at these if you wish YouTube - Muhammed in the bible - Ahmed Deedat 1 of 11 . In this particular video, the action starts at 4:47. That fact I mentioned is undeniable
. In Chapter 61 (The Ranks) of the Holy Qur'an, Allah says:
And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Apostle to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"
If you are, for example a Christian, then not following what is said in the Bible would not make you so right? If Jesus (PBUH) told his people to listen to the Apostle that would come in the future -- as similar to other religious scriptures -- then that would be the message of Islam. No religious scripture says that there will be another prophet after the mentioned. And the Allah says in the Qur'an that Muhammad (PBUH) is the Seal of the prophets; therefore being the last one.
You see, all religious scriptures point towards the message of Muhammad (PBUH) - and that message is Islam.
Peace be upon you.
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(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
You've only provided verses from the Tanakh, Gospel of John, and Qur'an.
The Tanakh and Gospel of John (and indeed, the entire New Testament, as well as the Qur'an) do not represent "all religious scriptures."
Ghostaka
Active Member
Yeap that is also another reference. You must realize... how would a scripture that old mention the name of a Prophet in the future? Are you going to tell me that it was a wild guess?
Peace be upon you.
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(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
Ghostaka
Active Member
Lol. Some research will prove it to you. In fact, I found a nice series of posts that assembles a couple of mentions:
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in Hindus' Scripture
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in Buddhists' Scripture
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in Parsis' Scripture
Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in Christians' Scripture
Discussing 'Prophet Muhammed in different religion's scripture' in the God is one."" group - Shelfari
If you would like, I could look for other explanations of this point.
Peace be upon you.
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(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
(Moses) said: "O my Lord! expand me my breast;
Ease my task for me;
And remove the impediment from my speech',
So they may understand what I say":
{The Holy Qur'an 20: 25-28}
Not a wild guess at all, especially since Deuteronomy isn't quite as old as that. There have been prophets before Deuteronomy was written, so there was no reason to think that there wouldn't be others in the future.