The Challenge in the Qur'an

[Ghostaka]

All of them were really cool and yet, the strangest thing ever is that the attacker is the one who is insulting lol.
Calm down man, take a deep breath, and wipe out your tears, don't lose it now please.

Ah'sant ya akhi lol. Made my day (and it's 7:00am here) .

Peace be upon "all a ya'll"

 

[kai]

It's recognizable by all, kai, but in order to meet this "specific challenge", it has to be from its own nature. You forgot about all the other great things in the Quran and its universal message and only picked this challenge. The Quran is full of challenges and i can show you tons of them but this was the most famous one for its deep significance to the beginning of Islam, and the message held by Mohammed to his brethren, before spreading the message to the globe.


I agree with you its has to be from its own nature, yes i came to that conclusion some time back in the thread , i dont see how it could be possible otherwise. I didnt pick this one its the subject of the thread and i found it interesting.
Regarding asking experts, you have to take it within context. What i meant was, those experts can be the judge to decide whether one was up to the challenge with trying to bring a Surah like it or not. I didn't suggest that those experts will show you how to read the Quran. Anyone can read the Quran today because it's translated now to almost all known languages.

TashaN you know that in order understand the the Quran fully and to grasp its own nature you have to be able to read it or even better listen to it in the tongue that it was revealed.

 

[YmirGF]

Even you yourself have to admit that the challenge is impossible, which is all the satisfaction we muslims need to hear and further confirmation of your own denial. Because if it's impossible for you and anyone else but Muhammad (pbuh), then like it or not, you yourself have just confirmed that Muhammad (pbuh) is a true prophet of Allah and the qur'an is the true, unaltered word of Allah (swt). Subhan'Allah.

What puzzles me is that you don't seem to realize how inane your response sounds to non-Muslim ears. I'm not exactly sure how you equate calling the so-called "challenge" a fraud, impossible, rigged and a setup that WOULD NEVER BE ACCEPTED as any evidence FOR proving the authority of Wild Mo', Allah or the Qur'an.

If anything, it diminishes the Islamic Trinity's stature.

It's a sad day for creation when "god" resorts to using tricks to prove his alleged authority. It is such a human tactic...

 

[kai]

I think the challenge was issued by an Arab Prophet in Arabic to Arabs in Arabia 1400 years ago which wasnt unusual in that culture. Islam has spread so far and wide that although most muslims are no longer Arabs the Challenge is still there and is in fact past its "sell by date"

Because the Islamic empires became so huge it had to produce translations of the Quran in order for "new" Muslims that were not Arab to read it. Now even these translations are not considered "real" Qurans so in order to attempt the "challenge" you would have to immerse yourself in the Arabic Language and Arab culture of the time to come anywhere near it .rendering it pretty exclusive.

 

[Zhakir]

I think the challenge was issued by an Arab Prophet in Arabic to Arabs in Arabia 1400 years ago which wasnt unusual in that culture. Islam has spread so far and wide that although most muslims are no longer Arabs the Challenge is still there and is in fact past its "sell by date"

Because the Islamic empires became so huge it had to produce translations of the Quran in order for "new" Muslims that were not Arab to read it. Now even these translations are not considered "real" Qurans so in order to attempt the "challenge" you would have to immerse yourself in the Arabic Language and Arab culture of the time to come anywhere near it .rendering it pretty exclusive.

Whatever you say about Islam being a religion of Arabs alone is proved wrong by the Noble Quran's text.And again learning Arabic language is not an obligation in Islam.The translations are available to Muslims to understand Qur'an.

 

[kai]

Whatever you say about Islam being a religion of Arabs alone is proved wrong by the Noble Quran's text.And again learning Arabic language is not an obligation in Islam.The translations are available to Muslims to understand Qur'an.

Maybe i should redefine my thoughts as to a religion originating in Arabia among Arabs . and again do you agree that the only true Quran is an Arabic one and the only way to truly get the "nature " of the Quran is to read or hear it in the language it was revealed in .

 

[McBell]

[23] And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (if there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true. (Quran 2:23)



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Thank to God, Muslims today are all over the world. That's why it's truly naive to think we all think the same way. This is a clear proof that Islam encourage the individuals to think for themselves, and the diversity you have seen here is something positive not something negative as you think. I can't say who is right amongst us and who is wrong, because we all have different understanding and we all have generated our own opinion regarding this matter. Islam doesn't force us to think on the same way. We all have our own views.

As i said before, i guess most of the Muslims if not all, in RF, are just normal simple Muslims. They might be your neighbor, the next shop owner you pass by, a person you meet on the bus or a train, a colleague of yours, etc. I don't know why people assume we know everything. Even scholars themselves don't know it ALL. Allah almighty is the one who knows everything. We just shared here of what we know on this subject, and i myself, have done my own searching and learnt alot through this thread.

I really hope you will stop your name calling habit, it will damage your credibility and show your inability to have a healthy intellectual dialogue.

Insulting others is a weakness and disadvntage. Heck, some of the Muslims here have the right to insult some people here but they didn't. All of them were really cool and yet, the strangest thing ever is that the attacker is the one who is insulting lol.

Calm down man, take a deep breath, and wipe out your tears, don't lose it now please.

Fortunately for Allah, I know that the ignorance and desire to look as retarded as possible shown by far to many Muslims here on RF is not the way of the majority of Muslims.

One of my neighbors has read this and few other threads from right here on my computer and just shakes his head at the amount of nonsense and BS spouted by certain Muslims here on RF.

BUt also rest assured that Islam is not the only religion with more than its fair share of arse clowns.

 

[YmirGF]

One of my neighbors has read this and few other threads from right here on my computer and just shakes his head at the amount of nonsense and BS spouted by certain Muslims here on RF.

I know. It warms my heart when I talk to less fanatical Muslims in real life too. Without question, RF offers a stilted view of Islam.

 

[Zhakir]

I know. It warms my heart when I talk to less fanatical Muslims in real life too. Without question, RF offers a stilted view of Islam.

Yeah right.. a view that made some RF members convert to Islam.

 

[England my lionheart]

Interesting article Chowk: Religion: When did Freethought Cease in the Muslim World? and goes some way in explaining the problems faced by Muslims when confronted with awkward questions,to some Muslims these questions are not a problem and some of the ones i have met face to face don't take it as a personal attack on Islam and have the ability to think outside their box.

 

[hussein]

a very interesting subject , i look forward to the discussion. i have often wondered about this challenge and have a few questions of my own, like what exactly are the rules of the game? , who is the judge? as we all know beauty is in the eye of the beholder why does it have to be in Arabic?, what is it about Arabic? surely its a personal opinion whether Arabic is the most beautiful written language what if i think Chinese is? or that French is most beautiful spoken language?.

This is an old argument forgive me for using it as i think its valid but "My wife is the most beautiful woman in the world. bring me another to equal her ,if not then everything she says is right!"

If this is indeed a challenge, (and the more i look into it the more i doubt it, i ) then give me the criteria i would have to meet to win it. but lets see how it goes.

Hey Kai, if this is your way to check the viracity and the righteousness of some thing using your love or your loyality ,easily you are unfairly mesureing the facts,
Arabic is such challinging language and very old language which has a huge history and unprecedental strucuter that made it challinging language ,but we dont blame you ,because human always against what he doesnt know, so befor anyone judge he has to read about what is he going to blame ,
I will ask one qustion ,I challinge anyone to answer my question,
my question is:
What is the firist book tell the humanity that the earth is round, and when?

and if anyone interested in Quran miracles you can send me a message and I will give you many if GOD wills

 

[Ghostaka]

One of my neighbors has read this and few other threads from right here on my computer and just shakes his head at the amount of nonsense and BS spouted by certain Muslims here on RF.

Wow, this statement is a cliche bro. The A-team seem to have a lot of head shaking Muslim neighbors and friends ay? What are you trying to achieve with statements like this? There's no need to lie.

BUt also rest assured that Islam is not the only religion with more than its fair share of arse clowns.

Lol, hypocrite.

 

[Fatihah]

What puzzles me is that you don't seem to realize how inane your response sounds to non-Muslim ears. I'm not exactly sure how you equate calling the so-called "challenge" a fraud, impossible, rigged and a setup that WOULD NEVER BE ACCEPTED as any evidence FOR proving the authority of Wild Mo', Allah or the Qur'an.

If anything, it diminishes the Islamic Trinity's stature.

It's a sad day for creation when "god" resorts to using tricks to prove his alleged authority. It is such a human tactic...

Response: Post 555 of page 56 shows that your own words proves to the contrary.

 

[England my lionheart]

Fatihah,if its enough to satisfy you all well and good for others its not which i guess is very apparent.

 

[Fatihah]

I know. It warms my heart when I talk to less fanatical Muslims in real life too. Without question, RF offers a stilted view of Islam.

Response: It warms my heart even more knowing that I have never met a non-muslim whom after I presented my argument, they either agreed or reverted themselves. So without question, the view of islam by most non-muslims on any website is due to their own pride and denial. Especially when the person themselves admit that the challenge is impossible, yet they don't want to admit the truth of islam and that the qur'an is the true word of Allah(swt). So clear and so obvious as to why.

 

[England my lionheart]

Hey Kai, if this is your way to check the viracity and the righteousness of some thing using your love or your loyality ,easily you are unfairly mesureing the facts,
Arabic is such challinging language and very old language which has a huge history and unprecedental strucuter that made it challinging language ,but we dont blame you ,because human always against what he doesnt know, so befor anyone judge he has to read about what is he going to blame ,
I will ask one qustion ,I challinge anyone to answer my question,
my question is:
What is the firist book tell the humanity that the earth is round, and when?

and if anyone interested in Quran miracles you can send me a message and I will give you many if GOD wills

Pythagoras

 

[Fatihah]

Fatihah,if its enough to satisfy you all well and good for others its not which i guess is very apparent.

Response: I see.

 

[McBell]

Wow, this statement is a cliche bro. The A-team seem to have a lot of head shaking Muslim neighbors and friends ay? What are you trying to achieve with statements like this? There's no need to lie.

careful now, your denial is showing.
So is your ignorance of the facts.
However, I know that your not knowing what you are talking about will not even slow you down.

I know that you will not understand, but for the record, I am not an atheist.

Lol, hypocrite.

Kettle, meet pot.

 

[kai]

Hey Kai, if this is your way to check the viracity and the righteousness of some thing using your love or your loyality ,easily you are unfairly mesureing the facts,
Arabic is such challinging language and very old language which has a huge history and unprecedental strucuter that made it challinging language ,but we dont blame you ,because human always against what he doesnt know, so befor anyone judge he has to read about what is he going to blame ,
I will ask one qustion ,I challinge anyone to answer my question,
my question is:
What is the firist book tell the humanity that the earth is round, and when?

and if anyone interested in Quran miracles you can send me a message and I will give you many if GOD wills

the concept of a spherical Earth dates back to around the 6th century BCE in ancient Greek philosophy.[1] It remained a matter of philosophical speculation until the 3rd century BCE when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given



Spherical Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[kai]

Response: It warms my heart even more knowing that I have never met a non-muslim whom after I presented my argument, they either agreed or reverted themselves. So without question, the view of islam by most non-muslims on any website is due to their own pride and denial. Especially when the person themselves admit that the challenge is impossible, yet they don't want to admit the truth of islam and that the qur'an is the true word of Allah(swt). So clear and so obvious as to why.

I dont think its impossible ! I have already listed many religious documents which have the same effect on people, i do however think its impossible if Muslims judge it.