The Creation

[mr.guy]

Shows that your made out of ignorance and blindness t.c ..

Do those have aspartame? If i went to the doctor, he'd probably tell me not to eat those, then.

Oh, that's right.

I said He.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

i shouldn't reply you ,but your comment Shows that your made out of ignorance and blindness t.c ..

Your comment shows that you're made out of irony.

 

[Tiapan]

Do you mean made ON clay, perhaps. There is evidence some clays (Montmorillonite) which are silicate based can allow the abiogenesis of organic (carbon) based nucleotides in sequence forming crude RNA.

Does the Kuran say whether it is Ribose or Desoxyribose that the clay interacts with? Does the Kuran define the differences of the tetravalent group 4 elements Carbon, Silicon, Germanium, Tin, Lead?

Cheers

 

[Autodidact]

What facts are those?

So I gather you have no scientific source whatsoever for your assertion that people are made of clay?

So basically science disproves the quran, is that what you're saying?

No i do have !!
How can i send u the link ,,?? Because the last time i put links here i was given a warning ..[/quote]

You can post links here. Again, what I'm looking for is a scientific source, such as an article in a scientific journal, or a textbook, or other scientific treatise, that says people are made of clay. I'm getting ready to go shopping for my hijab!

 

[Autodidact]

Well i know for sure that am not mistaken ...

In that case, why won't you agree to the same deal that I agreed to?

 

[Autodidact]

Brother please stay out of the subject as you are ignorant of what is being discussed thank u ..

How do you know Omar is ignorant? Are you prejudiced? This is a message board, and discussions are open to all.

 

[Autodidact]

i shouldn't reply you ,but your comment Shows that your made out of ignorance and blindness t.c ..

He has exactly as much scientific evidence as you've presented so far.

 

[Autodidact]

AFRICAN: Do you need a lesson on how to use the quote tags? Yours are messed up, so you're making a bad impression.

 

[MSizer]

He has exactly as much scientific evidence as you've presented so far.

News flash Autod.: Stranger doesn't have ANY evidence for his claim.

 

[Autodidact]

What color hijab do you think would look good on me?

 

[Autodidact]

So AFRICAN PMd me links to support his claim. Needless to say, none of them were remotely scientific sources. Here's one of them. It also says nothing at all about people being made of clay. It says that when Dr. Moore chewed some clay, it looked kind of like an embryo:

So when I asked for a scientific source that says that people are made of clay, AFRICAN gives me a non-scientific, Muslim apologetics site (exactly what I said would not do) that says something completely different. I'm beginning to think maybe this Islam thing is kind of bogus, because AFRICAN can't support any of his claims. What do you think?

 

[mr.guy]

"And what about professor Keith L. Moore, once at the University of Toronto, who Muslims love to quote as a scientist who saw the light of the Koran? If you buy Moore’s latest sixth edition University textbook called "The developing human", he actually directs his readers to read an essay by Basim Musallam, who we just quoted. who shows that the Koran merely echoes what Greek doctor "Galen" wrote 450 years earlier. It seems Dr. Moore is not as impressed today. (B. Musallam, The human embryo in Arabic scientific and religious thought, in, G. R. Dunstan (ed.) (University of Exeter Press, 1990) The human embryo: Aristotle and the Arabic and European traditions, pp. 32-46)"

source

More here, in answering Islam

 

[mr.guy]

P.S. I'm more than thrilled that both sources listed are christian sites set up to assasinate "islamic science"....i loves irony.

 

[Riverwolf]

Try rubbing your hands together and see what happens this proves we are made of Clay ..[SIZE=+1][/SIZE]

That only happens when you don't wash your hands.

 

[Riverwolf]

Why don't you just try it ..

I did. My hands got hot. No clay.

If anything, all that happens is you rub some of your skin off so it becomes loose. It's too soft to be clay.

 

[Venatoris]

If I were made of clay I would definitely take a chisel and a torch to my stomach.
I've always wanted rock hard, sculpted abs.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Ven,

If I were made of clay I would definitely take a chisel and a torch to my stomach.
I've always wanted rock hard, sculpted abs

If am clay would have no intelligence to understand what friend AFRICAN stated as we speak a different language than humans.

Love & rgds

 

[YmirGF]

I'm beginning to think maybe this Islam thing is kind of bogus, because AFRICAN can't support any of his claims. What do you think?

Some things are rather obvious, Auto. Personally, I think Prof. Moore was used by his Saudi handlers and was most likely handsomely rewarded for his services. That being said, I think that considering he never became a Muslim speaks volumes about what he really thought. Evidently he wasn't impressed enough to become a Muslim himself. That remains a very telling point.

 

[Autodidact]

Hey, it's not about Dr. Moore. We can all determine for ourselves whether science agrees that human beings are made of clay, just as soon as AFRICAN presents us with those scientific sources for his assertion. AFRICAN?

 

[AFRICAN]

Hey, it's not about Dr. Moore. We can all determine for ourselves whether science agrees that human beings are made of clay, just as soon as AFRICAN presents us with those scientific sources for his assertion. AFRICAN?

I know what ever evidence i bring forth you will deny but here it is ...

A. G. Cairns-Smith - references

Richard Dawkins

Cairns-Smith's ideas were favourably mentioned in Richard Dawkins' "The Selfish Gene", 1976:

The original replicators may have been a related kind of molecule to DNA, or they may have been totally different. In the latter case we might say that their survival machines must have been seized at a later stage by DNA. If so, the original replicators were utterly destroyed, for no trace of them remains in modern survival machines. Along these lines, A. G. Cairns-Smith has made the intriguing suggestion that our ancestors, the first replicators, may have been not organic molecules at all, but inorganic crystals-minerals, little bits of clay.''​

- Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene, page 21.