the definition of cuckod between the Westerns and Muslims

[Vinayaka]

if you do everything , what we (men) suppose to do

You're supposed to be a man. You bring love to the family. You cook once in a while or all the time. You take your kids on outings. You give your wife a break. You take her out for meals. You hang out around the house when you're not working. You enjoy sex with her when both of you want to do it. You change tires. You work, and bring money to the shared family. You open a shared bank account. When she is tired you go shopping for her. You do your own laundry, if not all the laundry. You learn how to change diapers. When a child is sick, you get up and sit with them. You can clean up puke if you have to. If your wife is tired you pitch in.

I'm a man, and I don't find that I have nothing to do because she does it all. That's just silly.

 

[Draka]

that 's your opinion , i am against kids working mechanic .

Is it abuse for a boy to be taught how to cook, bake, sew, and care for babies?

in this forum , i taught that eveything is possible
for your opinion ,who accept to married some could not have sex ?

Someone who loved them and wanted to spend their life with them as a partner.

no, he love them but not much as the mother .

Why? And who are you to gauge love?

right , carrying a pregnancy and giving birth is hard for woman , that why we suppose that avoid to be hard all the time for her . pregnany and work "hard works " it's not fair for her .

No, what's not fair to a woman is to be treated as if she can't do something just as well as a man. To be told that she shouldn't do something because it is "too hard" for her when she knows differently. That is insulting. What's not fair is to treat a woman as if she can't do a job because it's "dirty" as if women are to be treated as some pristine little displays for men. What's not fair is to deny a girl the right to learn about things that interest her simply because those things may be considered "man's domain" to some misogynistic and insecure men. If a woman WANTS to learn certain things, WANTS to do certain jobs, what is NOT FAIR is to say she can't.

if you do everything , what we (men) suppose to do

Be our partners and equals and support us as we support men.

 

[Meow Mix]

Another two facts for you to work on.

these two sound fairly inherent to me - (or perhaps you think culture caused them?)

Are you sure that you don't just wish for us the be all the same or do you really believe we are?

Nothing wrong with differences if you ask me.

I'm not a neurologist as I said, but the latest evidence does indicate that culture is the largest factor, yes. You're forgetting that correlation doesn't imply causation: you keep citing studies that show this or that brain difference; but you're failing to provide studies that indicate the differences are inherent rather than acquired.

I don't wish for us to be the same (nor do I wish for us to be different). I just don't wish for people to make unfounded claims that we're inherently different if that isn't an established fact -- and it isn't.

I agree that there's nothing wrong with differences. I've said that even if there are small brain differences that are inherent, the data still shows intellectual equivalence between men and women.

 

[Kerr]

I did not say it's the only reason .
i am sure if you ask woman to marry you , then you will tell her that you would not make sex with her , she will reject you .

I am not saying married people dont have sex, I am saying I have never seen it being the actual reason for marriage.

Cannot speak for anyone else, but if I met someone who I truly loved, but who hated sex, I would still choose her.

 

[Meow Mix]

I agree , that they are almost equal in rights(we are human) but i am not agree about that we are equal in duty .
some jobs did not required for women because " her physically " or " her degnity " , for exemple mechanic's car or any hard work , or woking as adutler woman (buy her body by hour ) how she will make new generation by this job , what is the view of her kids in the futur , when they discover that their mother was b000h? , this **** jobs for my opinion destroy the society and the definition of family "parents" ....etc

I know some women that know more about fixing cars than many men I know, what's wrong with that? As for women in adult industries, I worked in a strip club throughout my undergraduate studies. Now I'm going into physics and will eventually have a PhD. So what? Not everyone *has* to do that, but I can do it if I want. What's the problem?

It's certainly not destroying society or families, that's for sure.

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

I worked in a strip club throughout my undergraduate studies. Now I'm going into physics and will eventually have a PhD. So what?

Don't mention that in your CV .

 

[Godobeyer]

Is it abuse for a boy to be taught how to cook, bake, sew, and care for babies?

to learn boys to cook no, any dangerous work ,i against it for kids .

Someone who loved them and wanted to spend their life with them as a partner.

don't tell that you get pregrent by love "not sex"
you are in virtual world , not real world .
give me one person in the world accept to married without sex .
maybe if both , are ill maybe or old man and woman ,it's work in these cases, but in normal case , no one accept that .

by the way i have a question for you , if your husband see what you write her (sex , penis ) he will not reject this ?

Why? And who are you to gauge love?

yeah , i am love gauger
i am talking for my experience .

No, what's not fair to a woman is to be treated as if she can't do something just as well as a man. To be told that she shouldn't do something because it is "too hard" for her when she knows differently. That is insulting. What's not fair is to treat a woman as if she can't do a job because it's "dirty" as if women are to be treated as some pristine little displays for men. What's not fair is to deny a girl the right to learn about things that interest her simply because those things may be considered "man's domain" to some misogynistic and insecure men. If a woman WANTS to learn certain things, WANTS to do certain jobs, what is NOT FAIR is to say she can't.

for your opinion i am misogynistic ?

Be our partners and equals and support us as we support men.

hhhhhh , we have no special job , we can proud for , and you arrive to ask "us " to be your partners and equals hhhhhhhh me who ask the western men to ask you let them be equals

 

[Godobeyer]

I am not saying married people dont have sex, I am saying I have never seen it being the actual reason for marriage.

Cannot speak for anyone else, but if I met someone who I truly loved, but who hated sex, I would still choose her.

you mean , you will marry her , even she would let you get your rights (sex) in the bed ?
edited :how you would satisfy you sex desire? by masterbation ?

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

I don't belive there must be equality between man and woman.

I don't find this equation logical " man = woman"

I think there must be duties and rights fair for both.

 

[Kerr]

you mean , you will marry her , even she would let you get your rights (sex) in the bed ?

If I truly loved her I would. And as far as I am concerned... sex is not a right, its a privilege.

edited :how you would satisfy you sex desire? by masterbation ?

Thats a private matter .

 

[Meow Mix]

I don't belive there must be equality between man and woman.

I don't find this equation logical " man = woman"

I think there must be duties and rights fair for both.

Nobody is saying that men = women.

I think the fundamental difference here is the argument over "duties." Men and women should have equal rights. Neither should have inherent "duties" unless they decide that they want them.

Who does the laundry? Neither has a "duty" to do it -- either one can do it. Maybe they take turns doing it. Who changes the oil in the car? Again, neither has a duty to do it. Whoever is better at it can do it -- but that could be either the man or the woman.

Nobody has a "duty" to do anything. Some women might prefer to be delicate flowers and only do "soft" chores like cleaning the dishes, crying easily, raising children, whatever. That's fine -- if it's their choice. But some women might prefer to learn martial arts, work on cars, study math or physics -- that's fine as well. There's not a duty to do either or to refrain from either.

Men have choices and women have choices. If a man wants a delicate flower of a woman locked in a gilded cage, then by all means he is free to marry a woman that chooses to live like that. (Though I personally consider him a pathetic wimp of a "man" if he prefers weak women). He has no right whatsoever, though, to declare that all women have a "duty" to be like that.

 

[Draka]

to learn boys to cook no, any dangerous work ,i against it for kids .

Cooking can be dangerous, far more dangerous than changing oil or spark plugs. Dealing with fire and sharp knives is a lot more dangerous than turning a wrench and getting oil on your hands. Mechanical work is dirty work, not especially dangerous though except in certain situations where someone didn't take proper precautions.

don't tell that you get pregrent by love "not sex"
you are in virtual world , not real world .
give me one person in the world accept to married without sex .
maybe if both , are ill maybe or old man and woman ,it's work in these cases, but in normal case , no one accept that .

I believe Kerr has already answered this for you. I'll let his answer stand.

by the way i have a question for you , if your husband see what you write her (sex , penis ) he will not reject this ?

Why don't you ask him? - nevermind, it appears you don't have to. Just see below.

yeah , i am love gauger
i am talking for my experience .

You have no experience as a father do you? You cannot crawl into the mind and heart of a mother can you? So you don't have any experience in gauging parental love at all. So don't presume to act as if you do.

for your opinion i am misogynistic ?

Well, by your own words you certainly don't appear to be philogynistic. You advocate physical abuse towards women who aren't "obedient", you think it's okay to restrict their freedom and friends, you think them incapable of doing certain jobs for the mere fact they are female. All in all, you speak of women as lesser than you and as objects for sex and subservience to you. So, yeah, in my opinion, you are indeed misogynistic. For how can one like or love that which they so apparently have such disdain for?

hhhhhh , we have no special job , we can proud for , and you arrive to ask "us " to be your partners and equals hhhhhhhh me who ask the western men to ask you let them be equals

What "special job" do you think you need as a man? What "special job" do you think women have? Bearing children? That's not a "job", that's biology. Is that all you think us good for?

 

[turk179]

by the way i have a question for you , if your husband see what you write here (sex , penis ) he will not reject this ?

No, he will not. turk179=Draka's husband. Forgive me for not following your numerous other posts, and the world famous "slap of love" stuff, because I am sure this has already been covered before: The world is a much bigger place than little ole Algeria. Not everyone subscribes to the same set of rules and ideas as you do. Now please continue with your degrading of women.

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

Nobody is saying that men = women.

I think the fundamental difference here is the argument over "duties." Men and women should have equal rights. Neither should have inherent "duties" unless they decide that they want them.

Who does the laundry? Neither has a "duty" to do it -- either one can do it. Maybe they take turns doing it. Who changes the oil in the car? Again, neither has a duty to do it. Whoever is better at it can do it -- but that could be either the man or the woman.

Nobody has a "duty" to do anything. Some women might prefer to be delicate flowers and only do "soft" chores like cleaning the dishes, crying easily, raising children, whatever. That's fine -- if it's their choice. But some women might prefer to learn martial arts, work on cars, study math or physics -- that's fine as well. There's not a duty to do either or to refrain from either.

Men have choices and women have choices. If a man wants a delicate flower of a woman locked in a gilded cage, then by all means he is free to marry a woman that chooses to live like that. (Though I personally consider him a pathetic wimp of a "man" if he prefers weak women). He has no right whatsoever, though, to declare that all women have a "duty" to be like that.

personally I don't mind that my wife work at any field if it does not go against Islam principles.

My wife also don't mind if i work at anyfield if it does not go agains islam principles.

thank you for your thoughts.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Cooking can be dangerous, far more dangerous than changing oil or spark plugs. Dealing with fire and sharp knives is a lot more dangerous than turning a wrench and getting oil on your hands. Mechanical work is dirty work, not especially dangerous though except in certain situations where someone didn't take proper precautions.

I think I've scalded myself doing the dishes carelessly more times than I've burned myself changing my oil carelessly.

 

[Draka]

I think I've scalded myself doing the dishes carelessly more times than I've burned myself changing my oil carelessly.

I've done many things on a car, from basic tune-ups and oil changes, to timing one manually, brake jobs, and many small basic replacements of various filters and such, etc, etc, etc.... Other than maybe getting an odd cut or pinch, I can't recall getting really hurt while working on a car.

Now, I've been burnt, sliced, and even had a finger slammed into a tomato dicer while working in a kitchen (restaurant work). I've had far more injuries working in a kitchen than working in a garage. I can't count how many times I've gotten knicked with my own knives while either cutting something or a slip while washing dishes. Seems to me...kitchen work is more dangerous than garage work. Going by this, and Godobeyer's stance, men should be in the kitchen and women in the garage.

 

[Vinayaka]

I injure myself doing anything at all. Cars, kitchens, you name it. I stubbed my toe this morning walking away from the computer. At my age, I bruise way too easy.

 

[Enlighten]

Going by this, and Godobeyer's stance, men should be in the kitchen and women in the garage.

Nope my husband burnt his face while cooking steak tonight so this cannot be true

 

[Draka]

Nope my husband burnt his face while cooking steak tonight so this cannot be true

SEE! Far more dangerous in the kitchen! And since your hubby is the "man" and you just the weaker female who shouldn't be around dangerous things, you should leave the risking of hurting oneself in the kitchen to him. You stick to the safer job of upkeeping the vehicles. :yes:

 

[Enlighten]

SEE! Far more dangerous in the kitchen! And since your hubby is the "man" and you just the weaker female who shouldn't be around dangerous things, you should leave the risking of hurting oneself in the kitchen to him. You stick to the safer job of upkeeping the vehicles. :yes:

I agree, I'm off to sort the car now!