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The first living thing could not have come into being by random chance, therefore, God Almighty created all things. Just 1 proof.

Kfox

Well-Known Member
I think the confusion is in agreeing what is changing over time and what can be produced as a result of that change.
For instance...I've changed over time. I've gotten older, I've acquired more knowledge, I've gained scars. You would certainly say that I've evolved from a child into an adult - one can hope;) - but would you say I'm the same person?
Evolution is a change in the gene pool. As you age, your genes don’t change.
I think this happens a lot on here. everyone wants to cram what they think they know down the other persons throat all at once.
I agree to an extent with SavedByTheLord about abiogenesis. Except the part where he claims that it is impossible.
It is my understanding abiogenesis is not a scientific theory; it has not been proven nor disproven.
Well...I've got to note here that many many people would beg to differ here. I guess I can assume you mean by you or those your acquainted with.
The person I was responding to was Christian, and the Christian God has not been observed by science. I was only applying the same standard to his God that he applied to evolution.
At this point I think you must be being sarcastic to prove a point instead of serious?

Again, this is either sarcasm or your mistaken. There is record of course. Whether or not that record is accurate is a different matter.
Again; I was applying the same standard to his claim that he was applying to someone else’s claim.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Can you explain the Dino figurines.
Dino figurines made by humans do not exist. There are many figurines of various large beasts such as bears, rhinos, or elephants. The carvings are often symbolic and abstract, and not recognizable as dinosaurs.

Though there are quite a few fraudulent carvings around.
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
Dino figurines made by humans do not exist. There are many figurines of various large beasts such as bears, rhinos, or elephants. The carvings are often symbolic and abstract, and not recognizable as dinosaurs.

Though there are quite a few fraudulent carvings around.
They do. And they are bears ...
They have beeb dated to 2500 years ago.
There are over 33,000 of these
There are other depictions that people have made showing dinosaurs.
God described a plant eating dinosaur in Job 40.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
They do. And they are bears ...

Bears are not dinosaurs
They have been dated to 2500 years ago.
Bears yes no dinosaurs. Please document your foolish claim
There are over 33,000 of these
There are other depictions that people have made showing dinosaurs.
None exist except for your imagination. Please document.
God described a plant eating dinosaur in Job 40.
False
 

SavedByTheLord

Well-Known Member
Bears are not dinosaurs

Bears yes no dinosaurs. Please document your foolish claim

None exist except for your imagination. Please document.

False
You were the one that mentioned bears.

 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
No legitimate ancient carvings of dinosaurs are known to exist.
And they are bears ...
If they are bears then they are not dinosaurs.
They have beeb dated to 2500 years ago.
But you don't believe in dating. Funny how it is correct for you and not for others. You don't even see the inconsistency do you.
There are over 33,000 of these
Where? Show me. No creationist ever has.
There are other depictions that people have made showing dinosaurs.
Show me. No creationist ever has. Or do you mean science movies and comic books.
God described a plant eating dinosaur in Job 40.
The Bible describes a hippopotamus.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
C-14 is okay up to about 3500 years then the flood's effects distort results.
So 2500 year old is okay.
Carbon 14 dating is good dating things as old as 50,000 years. Your claim is based on what appears to be your bias to see dating support your view, but obviously that position cannot be sustained by the evidence.

Besides, you disavow all dating, even that you are using under misguided attempts to support your position.

You seem to want to have it both ways. How logical is that?
 

John53

I go leaps and bounds
Premium Member
No legitimate ancient carvings of dinosaurs are known to exist.

He finally posted a link which apparently he didn't bother to read because he keeps claiming 33,000 dinosaur figurines but the article says 33,000 figurines many of which are dinosaurs. How many is many? And the article has no pictures of these supposed clay figurines, they have one picture of what looks like plastic figurines.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
He finally posted a link which apparently he didn't bother to read because he keeps claiming 33,000 dinosaur figurines but the article says 33,000 figurines many of which are dinosaurs. How many is many? And the article has no pictures of these supposed clay figurines, they have one picture of what looks like plastic figurines.
As you may have recognized and well know, it is not uncommon to find that the person offering sources to support their position of belief have not actually read the source. That seems to be true of much of social media and not just isolated to creationists. Though they are a long time superuser of the technique.

I'll have to look for the link. I think that it is an obvious flaw of weak positions to assume that if a link is available, then the material linked is legitimate and doesn't require review. Noting the irony that a lot of valid contradictory evidence is also available via links.

It is certainly evidence that this rule against assumptions is a bad rule and isn't being applied objectively or justly. A rather biased application of a meaningless rule.

I had to look it up myself. The Acámbaro figures! The nature of the evidence being offered is pretty sad. Fraudulent. Fakes. I would expect evidence of the highest caliber. Not straws to be grasped at desperately flailing and flopping about.

Wikipedia has pictures for visually oriented birds and rabbits.
Acámbaro figures - Wikipedia.
 

Dan From Smithville

He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Staff member
Premium Member
He finally posted a link which apparently he didn't bother to read because he keeps claiming 33,000 dinosaur figurines but the article says 33,000 figurines many of which are dinosaurs. How many is many? And the article has no pictures of these supposed clay figurines, they have one picture of what looks like plastic figurines.
Apparently, triceratops had a standard transmission.

And human feet.

Acambaro-Figurines.jpg
 
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