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The flood in Genesis

9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

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rusra02 said:
A rodent doesn't evolve into a rodent. It may change characteristics but it is still a rodent. And rodents multiply quite quickly.
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And the order of rodents includes everything from mice and rats to beavers, porcupines, prairie dogs, squirrels and capybaras.

Exactly how long are you saying that it took for this original pair of "rodent kind" animals to evolve into what we have today, with more than 2,000 species? How long do you think it took the porcupine to develop quills (or perhaps for all the other species to lose their quills, I suppose), for the beaver to develop its webbed feet and distinctive tail, or for all the other specialized development to occur that we see in rodents?
 
OmarKhayyam

OmarKhayyam

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"Be that as it may, the One who created the animal and bird 'kinds' can and did see to it they were preserved and live in their resplendent variety. The one true God Jehovah did this when he had Noah build the ark."

Assuming arguendo that is true - to paraphrase a famous line, "Why did God NEED to have an ark?
 
painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
A rodent doesn't evolve into a rodent. It may change characteristics but it is still a rodent. And rodents multiply quite quickly. Be that as it may, the One who created the animal and bird 'kinds' can and did see to it they were preserved and live in their resplendent variety. The one true God Jehovah did this when he had Noah build the ark.
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I take it you've never really looked into rodent diversity.
Not all of them reproduce quickly either... Capybara only have four offspring at a time.

There are three major groups (and one minor group) of living rodents all distinguished by major differences in their skulls and other body parts. Major differences. Not minor changes in characteristics... major ones.

some rodents are more like small deer... some were as large as Rhino's.

If you want to talk about minor changes in characteristics then there is just as minor a difference between a chimpanzee and a human as there is between a rat and a Capybara.

wa:do
 
Smoke

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Heneni said:
Really, then what is the ark in Turkey doing sitting on a hill? With its own public entrace to go have a look at the site and all. A big hoax ya think? Thumbs up for the Turkey goverment then...anything to get the tourist in right?
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I really think this supposed tourist attraction is completely imaginary. Have you come up with any evidence for it yet?
 
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rusra02 said:
Evolution says an original cell evolved into all the living creatures on earth. The fossil record shows absolutely no such gradation in which one family kind becomes another. Scientist Francis Hitching in his book The Neck of the Giraffe writes: “When you look for links between major groups of animals, they simply aren’t there.” This matches what the Bible says,,,
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Francis Hitching is not a scientist. He's a crackpot, proven habitual liar, and psychic "researcher."
 
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9-10ths_Penguin said:
If they've already found Noah's Ark and are selling tickets to the public to go see it, the people looking for the Ark will feel like a right bunch of numpties.
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Come to think of it, though, the Turks are really letting a golden opportunity slip through their fingers. All they'd have to do would be to throw a few railroad ties up on the side of a mountain and build a tourist complex nearby, and the credulous and simple-minded would flock to see it.
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

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painted wolf said:
I take it you've never really looked into rodent diversity.
Not all of them reproduce quickly either... Capybara only have four offspring at a time.

There are three major groups (and one minor group) of living rodents all distinguished by major differences in their skulls and other body parts. Major differences. Not minor changes in characteristics... major ones.

some rodents are more like small deer... some were as large as Rhino's.

If you want to talk about minor changes in characteristics then there is just as minor a difference between a chimpanzee and a human as there is between a rat and a Capybara.

wa:do
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Yeah and I bet he believes Panda "bears" are actually bears....:rolleyes:.....but in reality they are part of the raccoon family which are consider to be a part of the family of rodents as well.

The worldwide flood as the bible describes is impossible and implausible considering we know a heck of a lot more than what they did back in the day.
 
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Autodidact

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rusra02 said:
A rodent doesn't evolve into a rodent. It may change characteristics but it is still a rodent. And rodents multiply quite quickly. Be that as it may, the One who created the animal and bird 'kinds' can and did see to it they were preserved and live in their resplendent variety. The one true God Jehovah did this when he had Noah build the ark.
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I thought you said a "kind" was a species. Rodents are an order, comprising thousands of species. You don't know much Biology, do you? I see that doesn't stop you. So, according to you, Noah took two of each species on the ark? Is that right?
 
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Arlanbb

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rusra02 said:
The one true God Jehovah did this when he had Noah build the ark.
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Hi there rusra02 ~ So you still think Noah built an Ark. What you need to do is read the following book. "ARCHAEOLOGY of the land of the Bible - 10,000 ~ 586 BCE" written by Amihai Mazar senior lecturer at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in Israel. This book of 576 pages talks about all the archaeology evidence found in Israel for the last 12,000 years down to 586 BC. There are maps of dig sights dating back to 2000BC, and in 3000BC and 4000BC and in 8000BC and there is no difference in the land formations in Israel. According to your bible the flood changed the all landscapes when it happened. Don't give me the bul**** information that C-14 is not good to use dating back that far. C-14 has been cross dated with Tree-rings back 8000 years with only a 7% loss of information.

So please explain why archaeologist keep finding human remaings in Israel dating back twice as old as creation and 4 times as old a the Hebrew deluge????:beach:
 
painted wolf

painted wolf

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Yeah and I bet he believes Panda "bears" are actually bears....:rolleyes:.....but in reality they are part of the raccoon family which are consider to be a part of the family of rodents as well.
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Actually the Giant Panda is a bear.... Genetic analysis places it quite nicely in the Ursidae.
Raccoons are Mustelids... which are part of Carnivora...not rodentia.

wa:do
 
Autodidact

Autodidact

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rusra02 said:
The Biblical “kinds” seem to constitute divisions of life-forms where each group allows for cross-fertility within its limits. So dog may be a kind, horse another kind. These cannot successfully interbreed.
Fossil “bridges” between “kinds” are totally lacking. Horses, oak trees, eagles, elephants, walnuts, ferns, and so forth, all continue within the same “kinds” without evolving into other “kinds.”
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Are you saying that a "kind" is defined as a group of organisms that can breed and reproduce, and that creatures that cannot breed and reproduce are therefore of different "kinds?"

Within an order of magnitude, about how many "kinds" of organisms do you think Noah took on the ark?

Do you reject all science, or only Biology?
 
Dirty Penguin

Dirty Penguin

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Please let us all refrain from negative language. I love to engage in beneficial dialogue with those i agree and disagree with. I don't want our mods and admins to close the room....:p
 
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theonepaladin

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Please remember that Noah was in an arc at sea, if the lands dried out, it would take longer to discover this, which is why Noah sent out 1 or 2 birds to see if they could find land.

Of course, keep in mind that the story may not be accurate, since it was passed down by tradition before it was recorded. I'm talking about being passed down for generations, so it would, unless by Divine Intervention, be distorted.

If you are a scientist, look into geographical caverns, and you will find that it holds some validity.

God Bless,
-Paladin
 
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