Agreed. :yes:And see, I have no problem with the story just that people should understand it shouldn't be taken literally.....(IMHO)....
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The flood in Genesis
- Thread starter Just_me_Mike
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Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
You're got four main problems:
1. There isn't enough water on earth, in the atmosphere, and underground, taken altogether, to cover the entire earth in water.
2. All the Geological evidence indicates there was no such flood.
3. There is no Geological evidence to indicate that there was such a flood.
4. There were recorded civilizations in China, India, and Egypt that lived before, during and after the alleged flood, never noticing that they were under water.
Other than that, I'm sure you're right.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Yes. I'm sure there was an actual flood or floods, and to people who never traveled 5 miles from their homes, it seemed global. Then they start attributing a meaning or explanation to these natural events, which gets incorporated into a myth.
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
And see, I have no problem with the story just that people should understand it shouldn't be taken literally.....(IMHO)....
How should it be taken?
Are we to assume that the flood story in the bible, along with other fantastical stories of the bible, did not actually occur?
GiantHouseKey
Well-Known Member
linwood
Well-Known Member
Penguin, Have you a reference for this?
themadhair
Well-Known Member
I thought Epic Of Gilgamesh was Sumerian....?
linwood
Well-Known Member
It is technically but younger versions have been more popular through the ages it seems.
A quick trip to Wiki straightened me out.
Actually, from what is now known of the flood plains of Mesopotamia it is very easy to imagine catastrophes of near biblical proportions. It would be a miracle if these did not result in myth.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
It's apparent that some have taken it literally but as we can see, even from this thread, a lot of us don't. Some here have suggested the story was meant (reconfigured and retold) to teach some a lesson. I'm not exactly sure why it was reshaped and retold. The fact is.... the current scientific data we know about the geological state of the planet and historical data of earlier cultures tells us that no such flood (worldwide) occurred.
People can and will assume what they want. The answer to your question is YES and NO....The bible, at least when I look at it, can be broken down into segments. There are (some) historical accuracies in the bible and a lot that aren't and I'm in agreement with you that there are plenty of unverifiable, untestable fanciful claims from beginning to end of the bible.
For me the bottom line is the OP started off with the premise that the story in the book is actually a true story. To ponder over the specifics of the story is futile when it has been shown to be nothing more than folklore. I'm simply saying...it's an old story that has been reshaped and retold.....
Where?
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
I'll give you geological data showing otherwise about the flood. That does not put an end to the subject though.
However don't make your self look dumb after such a smart statement by comparing the Bible to Gilgamesh or Horas or any other myth. I am very versed with these ancient silly stories, and there is NO NONE what so ever literary equivalence. Yes the words flood and boat and other words are used in a lot of them, but how ridiculous to make such uneducated statements like you do.
You know if I made a story about Mississippi having a flood I bet there would be a boat involved. Gee how else would you deal with a flood?
You know in Gilgamesh the Gods were fighting each other and the boat the was built in Gilgamesh hardly warrants any serious attention. However studies have been done to see if what is described in the Bible would actually work. It is inconclusive at this point.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
"What was curious about this to me, was the fact the land had become dry 2 months and 27 days prior to then exiting. Why dos the story have them hanging out another 2 months and 27 days before exiting."
What "fact"......?
"You see I can take this as literal information for analysis purposes and still not believe they happened. My beliefs are irrelevant to the texts. I am taking the text at face (or literal) value to discuss."
"At the very least it makes the story plausible, because we are learning about it from so many different sources.
Of course you can choose the opposite view, and say there are so many sources because it is just folk lore and that is what folk lore is just fake stories handed around and rehashed.
You are choosing to look at it from only one side. I have no beef with that, but there is another perspective to look at things."
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Look I am a christian but people claiming this picture might be the Ark makes me scratch my head. Can someone more knowledgeable explain to me what is anamalous about this picture?
Canadian Space Agency's RADARSAT-1 image of Mt. Ararat. This radar image is 8-meter resolution, the highest commercial capability in the world. Circled in red is the "anomaly" location on the northwest corner of Ararat's Western Plateau at 15,300 feet. Since a radar satellite is not optical, but shoots back radio beams of solid structures, this image confirms, according to researchers, that the anomaly is not the effect of shadows. Credit: RADARSAT-1 data (c) Canadian Space Agency. Processed and distributed by RADARSAT International Inc., a subsidiary of MDA.
Canadian Space Agency's RADARSAT-1 image of Mt. Ararat. This radar image is 8-meter resolution, the highest commercial capability in the world. Circled in red is the "anomaly" location on the northwest corner of Ararat's Western Plateau at 15,300 feet. Since a radar satellite is not optical, but shoots back radio beams of solid structures, this image confirms, according to researchers, that the anomaly is not the effect of shadows. Credit: RADARSAT-1 data (c) Canadian Space Agency. Processed and distributed by RADARSAT International Inc., a subsidiary of MDA.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
it doesn't look anything like a boat?
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tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
If you can provide empirical geological evidence of a worldwide flood, I will make a video of myself eating my hat and send it to you.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
If you can provide empirical geological evidence of a worldwide flood, I will make a video of myself eating my hat and send it to you.
You misunderstood me. I was saying I concede to his geological date, not that I have data to give him...
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Then we are in agreement that no such flood occurred. Maybe is was regional but certainly not worldwide.
"Horas"...? What are you talking about?
If you were so "well versed" then you wouldn't have made such a silly statement. The ancient flood stories, I think there are four of them, predate the biblical account and they parallel it. If you don't think so then fine....Then I suggest you become more acquainted with the original stories of the flood before ponder over the copycat version in the bible.....:sarcastic
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What is conclusive is the the stories are very...very similar....and it appears the biblical account borrowed from earlier stories. It's not simply a retelling of the same old story. It's a reshaping of the story and then telling that story. Maybe both stories have a common source. At this point we don't know. Even if they did...we see that the similarities are striking as well as the differences. IMO the bible version adapted the story to suit its purpose to its audience.
The Floods of Noah and Gilgamesh
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