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The gay-bashing capital of Europe
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darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Because obviously the message isn't getting through, group violence against a certain group is not acceptable. If you want a message to get through make them aware that the actions of a few can ruin things for everyone. I see you live in England so you should know first hand that in some cases muslims have difficulty integrating into wester societies, its no different no matter where you go. So add that to this violence and its not looking good for future generations.
Interview with German Islam Expert Bassam Tibi: "Europeans Have Stopped Defending Their Values" - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International : This article really says it all to me.
To be frank muslims know they're a target group being a minority and therefore should know better than to group attack gay people for being gay.
I'm fed up with seeing articles where prominant muslim spokesmen blame the local community for the shameful behaviour of muslim youth's.
Google gay bashing in the Netherlands and look at the top 10 in the list. Yep they all mention the same thing.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Childish yes, but how else are authorities meant to stop it? Read that article. It states that everyone is afraid to criticise Islam in fear of being called racist.
How do you control something you can't criticise? What do you propose?
Bismillah
Submit
It is regrettable that there are always those that seek to implement their racist agendas through political means. I don't care if you criticize Islam. I care if you ban people of specific background. The problems that Europe is going through is no different than the problems every country that has sizable immigration influx goes through. In fact my home town has a greater immigration rate and a greater crime rate than Amsterdam. But, that does not excuse passing racist legislation as some Arizona lawmakers have tried to push.
Sure criticize those who commit these crimes, I couldn't care any less. In fact I encourage you to criticize the problem so as to bring to attention. But statements like
are disgusting and I don't understand how you don't see that. I have already proposed
I can emphasize with how immigration provides obstacles, but I can't sympathize with the course of action you ascribe to. It's not impossible for a city to ensure safety for all its citizens while also encouraging diversity and open mindedness. Like I have stated numerous times and likewise how it has been avoided, what is the crime rate in Dearborn Michigan?
Smoke
Done here.
Deportation with no possibility of re-entering the country.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Its always about race and everything is always racist
Like i said earlier its as if only white people can be racist which really annoys me. The thing is you do care if islam is criticised. The first thing you would say is that im being racist if i say anything muslim specific. The really painful thing is that this is specifically about muslims and they are causing a problem. How on earth does anyone do anything without being racist? What the racism patrol can't get through their arrogant heads is that vigilante justice is the next step. Then after that the whole "oh the poor *insert minority here* are being targeted" speech comes out. The worlds seen this before, regrettibly in Australia. The west will only take so much rubbish from minorities no matter who they are or what their religion is, thats a fact. In the end, its the locals that are made to look like tools for standing their ground. This has to change.
I knew you were going to say that. a politician lost his job over here for suggesting it as well. Sad thing is he became the target of the media instead of the fact that muslims were gang bashing locals because they could. In the end because i'm white i'm racist. If i wasn't white what i said would less offensive.
It shouldn't. I immigrated from New Zealand when i was a child. Friends of mine immigrated from Indonesia (muslims) and they're no different to any of us, they're great people.
How can a city crackdown and ensure safety for its citizens when it has to control minority youths and risk being publicly slaughtered by the racism patrol?
Ordeet
Member
I'll humor you here:
Almost twice the National average.
Crime type: Dearborn National
Larceny Theft: 3454.2 2601.7
Vehicle Theft: 1102.8 501.5
Arson: 24.4 24.3
Dearbornistan criminals: All-American Terrorists: How Dearbornistan Boys Went From Football Field to Islamic Terror; TracFone Detonators & Passenger Lists | Debbie Schlussel
JEW HATE RALLY: DEARBORNISTAN, AMERABIA - Atlas Shrugs
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
It's not getting through to the non-Muslims who are committing the other third of these crimes in Amsterdam either. It's never got through to a minority of people across all backgrounds. That's a much older and wider problem than what is being focused on here.
What makes you think the thugs committing these crimes give a damn about other Muslims or other immigrants?
In some case yes. In many other cases, they integrate just fine. In some they integrate well but are still ignorant violent thugs. "Muslim immigrant" covers a hugely diverse range of individuals and to lump them all together for group punishment is simply wrong.
Really? As a Muslim immigrant promoting integration within European countries, making statements like;
I'm not sure he would support mass punishment of all Muslim immigrants for crimes committed by some.
I'm not denying the problem, I'm questioning your solution.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
My solution hasn't been thought through.
What i want is for minorities to get over themselves and stop playing the race card. No one can tackle the real issue when cultural lines are drawn. I'm not so sure about Amsterdam but from what i've seen in Germany and Austria, integration is minimal and animosity between sides is rife. How can anything change without being blunt and straight to the point. Sure muslims are only 66.66% of the problem but given they're a minority, 2/3 of the attacks are being committed by less that 5% of the population from wikipedia. Thats the worrying statistic.
Evidence in this thread though is no one can offer a realistic and practical solution without being called racist.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
To be able to do that, you would have to do it before they are citizens.
unfortunately , in the UK most troublemakers are second generation, and are British.
I would be happy to see all immigrants on "probation" for five years before they can be full citizens. Then what you suggest would be legal.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Deportation after they've served their sentence, correct?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
And people are still trying to drag something as irrelevant as race into this? The problem lies with attitudes and actions within certain social groups. Should the fact that they happen to come from the same genepool excuse their behavior? And if certain religions by their nature promote and encourage bigotry and discrimination, then they should be openly denounced.
HonestJoe
Well-Known Member
Than maybe you should asking more questions and making fewer statements.
I agree. Why then do you repeatedly call this a Muslim immigrant problem and refuse to recognise it is only a problem with a specific subset of Muslim immigrants? Cultural lines can be drawn from either side.
I've no fundamental objection to bluntness though I don't think it's always necessary and if you are going to use it, you need to be careful with how it is targeted.
That's a gross exaggeration. It's perfectly possible to discuss a solution without being call racist. It's also perfectly possible to discuss a "solution" while being discriminatory in some way (racially or otherwise). I consider suggesting that all Muslim immigration should be stopped without exception because of the actions of these mindless thugs as discriminatory. Saying the Muslim community as a whole needs to address why a disproportionate number of their (primarily) young men commit such crimes isn't (though there should also be an element of asking why anyone does in general too).
The fact is that there are no quick and easy solutions to these problems. That was, after all, the theme running through the interview you linked. It is in looking for quick and easy solutions which tend to over-generalise and over-simplify complex issues within diverse groups of people and can lead to accusations of discrimination, sometimes as a knee-jerk reaction but sometimes legitimately.
Smoke
Done here.
My gut response was a stiff prison sentence followed by a lifelong ban from the Schengen area. But I was trying to be nice.
Smoke
Done here.
Wow, really? I had no idea! I was trying to ban people who commit violent crimes in the Netherlands from a particular area of Luxembourg!
But maybe you could get the Schengen countries to agree on the deportation of violent criminals.
I was being a facetious eurosceptic. But your comment does suggest a court in Holland should be able to ban people from Britain, as a eurosceptic Brit I don't much like even the suggestion of such a position.
I'd rather get Britain to pull out of Schengen and if possible the EU.
I'd rather get Britain to pull out of Schengen and if possible the EU.
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Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
They should be banned from EU countries and any other country considering allowing them in should be able to easily access that information and deny them entry based if they so choose.
You come here and act out - serve your time and then go back home. We only want people who are grateful to be here and who willingly embrace OUR society.
You come here and act out - serve your time and then go back home. We only want people who are grateful to be here and who willingly embrace OUR society.
But how would they be banned from "EU countries". I don't want some quasi-despotic(see the EU constitution/Lisbon treaty farce.) foreign entity deciding who can come to Britain. If Britain is to ban people we'll do it ourselves, we don't need Brussels to it for us, no matter what our traitorous political elite decide.