The gay-bashing capital of Europe

[darkendless]

And I've never blamed Islam for their actions - I blame them personally.

Please Kathryn, you've been here long enough to know that criticising one muslim or a tiny group of them is an attack on Islam and that as a result you are a racist bigot being caucasian

Racism and hate fueled violence is reserved for white people only

 

[Kathryn]

And by the way, I used to live in a midsize town in Germany which had (and continues to have) a growing problem with immigrants (mostly from Turkey, and yes, mostly Muslim) who for WHATEVER REASONS do not assimilate into the local culture, and who are increasingly violent toward their German neighbors. It is unsafe for a white person to walk in areas of town which just a decade ago were nearly idyllic, with nearly non existent crime rates.

 

[darkendless]

And by the way, I used to live in a midsize town in Germany which had (and continues to have) a growing problem with immigrants (mostly from Turkey, and yes, mostly Muslim) who for WHATEVER REASONS do not assimilate into the local culture, and who are increasingly violent toward their German neighbors. It is unsafe for a white person to walk in areas of town which just a decade ago were nearly idyllic, with nearly non existent crime rates.

Its a familiar occurence throughout Germany. Even in towns of around 30,000 people.

 

[Kathryn]

Please Kathryn, you've been here long enough to know that criticising one muslim or a tiny group of them is an attack on Islam and that as a result you are a racist bigot being caucasian

Racism and hate fueled violence is reserved for white people only

Oh, that's right. I forgot. Thanks for reminding me.:slap:

 

[Bismillah]

Do any of you have solutions to the problem?

 

[linwood]

I can, if need be but I have little motivation to do so but alright, I will do so, when you can prove to me why brown people and Islam are to blame and not just certain specific individuals for this. Christian Europeans do the same. It isn't specfic community. Violence happens, it's sad, yeah but it happens but why are you blaming brown people and Islam?

Because it is the brown Muslim people committing the bigotted violence and it wasn`t present before the brown muslim people were there?

I dunno..maybe.

So Muslims are a borg-like people? ...

All theists who follow dictated dogma are borg-like to me.
The comparison isn`t far off at all actually.

 

[linwood]

Do any of you have solutions to the problem?

Yes, European authorities should crack down on all violent crime with excessive penalties/deportations/imprisonment until it either stops or there are no perpetrators remaining.

I would also begin heavily regulating who could immigrate to my country as well.

 

[darkendless]

Do any of you have solutions to the problem?

None that you would welcome.

One thing i find most outrageous in these countries is that muslims are allowed to continue to immigrate even with such problems becomming ever more apparent.

Why are western countries afraid to shut the doors?

 

[darkendless]

Yes, European authorities should crack down on all violent crime with excessive penalties/deportations/imprisonment until it either stops or there are no perpetrators remaining.

I would also begin heavily regulating who could immigrate to my country as well.

Haha thats funny, a western country stopping the flow, good luck.

In the same news story the other day Australian leaders talked about the growing need for immigration control as well as speeding up of processing illegal immigrants Germany has talked, Denmark has talked, Sweden has talked but i don't think anyone has the man-bits required to do something like that.

 

[Bismillah]

None that you would welcome.

One thing i find most outrageous in these countries is that muslims are allowed to continue to immigrate even with such problems becomming ever more apparent.

Why are western countries afraid to shut the doors?

So you also encourage racist policies that the Republicans crow on about in my home state? You realize that this is a universal problem that is the byproduct of immigration everywhere? Like I said "a Moroccan in Amsterdam is just as likely to commit a crime as a Mexican in Arizona". There's obviously going to be "bad apples of the bunch". Stopping immigration altogether is a stupid and heavy handed approach. Projecting the actions of a minority of immigrants of the total immigrant pool is paranoia fueled delusion. I'd rather favor stricter punishments and mandatory civil classes that instruct the language of the country as well as its constitution. Those principles I can abide by, your racist principles though are pathetic.

Racism and hate fueled violence is reserved for white people only

Pity party? Please.

 

[Father Heathen]

So this isn't about immigrants from Middle-Eastern countries whom are Muslim coming to Amsterdam and roughing up homosexuals? Yes, you're right, in theory Islam isn't a specific race and anyone can be Muslim but in today's political talks complaints against Muslims are often complaints about Middle-Eastern immigrants, case in point this thread which is why I said this thread is racist along with being ignorant and bigoted. Islam is not to blame here and I am saying this, take that into account.

Now you're confusing race and culture, again two completely separate things. If particular groups of people insist on behaving like subhuman beasts then it's completely within reason to criticize them for it. There is no reason for any society to tolerate oppression, violence, bigotry and/or attempts to impose a foreign culture upon them.

 

[Father Heathen]

Do any of you have solutions to the problem?

Something that insures those wishing to immigrate are also willing to integrate. I mean really, if you can't respect or tolerate a local culture you have no business living there.

 

[dust1n]

So Muslims are a borg-like people? Hmm? OH NO, those brown people are inherently dangerous and violent people, beware gayz, mini-skirt wearing chickz, and Jooooz!! DEH GOOOOON KEEEL YO!! Come on, this is ridiculous for more than one reason mind you.

The Muslims THAT STALK GAY PEOPLE are a borg-like people, yes. They are (not inherently) dangerous and violent people.

 

[nrg]

I also wanted to emphasize that this is universal. As opposed to the general feeling of confining it to "radical muslims" you will find violent crimes occurring anywhere with a decent immigration rate.

Yes, that needs to be said. In 19th century New York, it was Irish and German street gangs that roamed the streets, and after a while there were alot of Italian and Jewish gangs too. Once upon a time, the European immigrants were the second rate citizens.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

Damn Europe stop ruining my European socialist, gay friendly utopia fantasy!

 

[HonestJoe]

One thing i find most outrageous in these countries is that muslims are allowed to continue to immigrate even with such problems becomming ever more apparent.

Why should all Muslims be punished for the actions of a minority?

Look at it this way. We're talking about crimes disproportionatly committed by young male Muslim immigrants. The similar crimes committed by natives are disproprotionatly committed by young males too. Wouldn't this suggest the crack down should be on young males rather than Muslims?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

This is a question not a statement. Are not Pakistani Muslims different then other Muslims in that they have their own caste system. I have read both Hindu's and other Muslims comment on it.

So they would be different then all other Muslims in this respect.

I don't notice any cast system, but they are clearly divided by sect. there have been numerous honour killings of Young people who marry into the wrong sects. And even more who marry non Muslims.

A large majority of the Bombers here have come from second generation Pakistanis. Three of them were young Doctors, so it is not only a question of education.

 

[Kathryn]

Why should all Muslims be punished for the actions of a minority?

Look at it this way. We're talking about crimes disproportionatly committed by young male Muslim immigrants. The similar crimes committed by natives are disproprotionatly committed by young males too. Wouldn't this suggest the crack down should be on young males rather than Muslims?

The crackdown should be on ANYONE WHO TARGETS CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHIC GROUPS WITH ACTS OF VIOLENCE.

Unfortunately, the "anyone" in this case happens to be Muslim youths targeting gays in Amsterdam.

There's no sinister agenda behind this OP. There's no subliminal message to stir up hatred against Muslims, or immigrants, or Amsterdam, or Europe in general. I'm simply pointing out that, contrary to many peoples' preconceived, utopian notion, even the most historically tolerant areas of a mostly secular 21st century society are experiencing an upswing in intolerance and violence at the hands of radical religious extremists.

And we need a plan of action to curtail, and hopefully eventually eradicate, this trend.

 

[HonestJoe]

There's no sinister agenda behind this OP. There's no subliminal message to stir up hatred against Muslims, or immigrants, or Amsterdam, or Europe in general.

Not from you I agree but it is coming from elsewhere (quotes in the article you posted and some people responding to it).

I am in full agreement with your intentions here. I just think those intentions need to be stated carefully and accurately because there are a lot of people who will take them in a direction you never intended.

 

[Bismillah]

The crackdown should be on ANYONE WHO TARGETS CERTAIN DEMOGRAPHIC GROUPS WITH ACTS OF VIOLENCE.

Restricting immigration on certain countries is certainly sinister. What's the difference between it and how the U.S restricted the flow of Chinese and Japanese immigrants because of racist agendas? Like I said this problem is universal and the solution is almost always applicable from one case to another. Emphasizing that mandatory public classes that teach both the native language and constitution etc. etc. as well as stricter punishments and an apt police force would be a much more progressive and pragmatic choice.