The Myths of Christianity

[Pegg]

Yes they did.

Every culture and every religion at that time understood a mythical afterlife. ancient hebrews were no different.

except that those ideas are not found in the inspired Hebrew writings... you can find them in other jewish writings, but not in the hebrew scriptures. I know because i've read the hebrew scriptures from front to back and there is no afterlife in them

the hope of the writers of the bible was in a resurrection from the grave... they said nothing of living on as spirits.

 

[outhouse]

except that those ideas are not found in the inspired Hebrew writings...

they are pegg, theres plenty of examples.

 

[outhouse]

Hell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Daniel 12:2 proclaims "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt."


Judaism does not have a specific doctrine about the afterlife, but it does have a mystical/Orthodox tradition of describing Gehenna. Gehenna is not Hell, but rather a sort of Purgatory where one is judged based on his or her life's deeds, or rather, where one becomes fully aware of one's own shortcomings and negative actions during one's life.


The overwhelming majority of rabbinic thought maintains that people are not in Gehenna forever; the longest that one can be there is said to be 12 months, however there has been the occasional noted exception




Sheol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She'ol is the earliest conception of the afterlife in the Jewish scriptures




enough?? lets stop the ignorance

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Hell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Daniel 12:2 proclaims "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt."
Judaism does not have a specific doctrine about the afterlife, but it does have a mystical/Orthodox tradition of describing Gehenna. Gehenna is not Hell, but rather a sort of Purgatory where one is judged based on his or her life's deeds, or rather, where one becomes fully aware of one's own shortcomings and negative actions during one's life.
The overwhelming majority of rabbinic thought maintains that people are not in Gehenna forever; the longest that one can be there is said to be 12 months, however there has been the occasional noted exception
Sheol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
She'ol is the earliest conception of the afterlife in the Jewish scriptures
enough?? lets stop the ignorance

The 'awakening' of Daniel [12v2] is 'resurrection' of the sleeping dead.
[John 11vs11-14; Psalms 6v5; 13v3; 115v17; 146v4; Ecc. 9v5]

When a lot of people hear the word 'afterlife' they think of being immortal.
They think a part of them is death proof and lives on.
Clearly the soul that sins dies. The soul is not death proof. -[Eze. 18vs4,20].
The soul can be destroyed. The soul is: perishable.- [ Acts 3v23]

Even though resurrection is life after death,
it is Not 'afterlife' as in automatically having life without dying at the time of death.

Whereas resurrection is an awakening or resurrecting of the sleeping dead.
'First fruits' as in those that are part of the first or earlier resurrection to heaven [Rev 20v6;14v4; 5vs9,10], or those resurrected back to life during Jesus millennial reign over earth such as to what Daniel looked forward.
-Daniel 12v13; John 3v13.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

we believe that God has chosen a small number to join Christ as rulers in the heavenly kingdom.
Rev. 7:4: “I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand
Rev 14:1 And I saw, and, look! the Lamb standing upon the Mount Zion, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand
Rev 5: 10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.
not all Christians will go to heaven... the majority of mankind will continue to reside on earth as God intended. Jesus called these ones his 'other sheep'
John 10:16 “And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those also I must bring, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd
for those who will live on earth, if they die, they return to dust and their existence ceases until God resurrects them to life. That will happen in the future during the time of the 'resurrection'....all of mankind who have died (yes everyone, good and bad) will be resurrected to be given a 2nd chance at life under Gods rule.
John 5:28 Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment
Isaiah 26:19 “Your dead ones will live. A corpse of mine—they will rise up. Awake and cry out joyfully, YOU residents in the dust! For your dew is as the dew of mallows, and the earth itself will let even those impotent in death drop [in birth]

Good points ^above^. So except for those committing the unforgivable sin [Matthew 12v32; Hebrews 6 vs4-6; Psalm 92v7], all the rest of mankind,
or majority, are covered by the words of Romans [6v7] that the dead are freed or acquitted from sin.
Acquitted as Not in meaning innocent, but acquitted as a Judge can pardon a person so the crime [sin] charges no longer stick.
'No longer stick' due to Jesus ransom paying the ransom price for 'many'.
-Matthew 20v28.

 

[outhouse]

The 'awakening' of Daniel [12v2] is 'resurrection' of the sleeping dead.
[John 11vs11-14; Psalms 6v5; 13v3; 115v17; 146v4; Ecc. 9v5]

When a lot of people hear the word 'afterlife' they think of being immortal.
They think a part of them is death proof and lives on.
Clearly the soul that sins dies. The soul is not death proof. -[Eze. 18vs4,20].
The soul can be destroyed. The soul is: perishable.- [ Acts 3v23]

Even though resurrection is life after death,
it is Not 'afterlife' as in automatically having life without dying at the time of death.

Whereas resurrection is an awakening or resurrecting of the sleeping dead.
'First fruits' as in those that are part of the first or earlier resurrection to heaven [Rev 20v6;14v4; 5vs9,10], or those resurrected back to life during Jesus millennial reign over earth such as to what Daniel looked forward.
-Daniel 12v13; John 3v13.

You can get into all the possible mythical details you want.


My only point is that the ancient hebrews definatly believed and had a afterlife, it just wasnt the chrtistian version

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You can get into all the possible mythical details you want.
My only point is that the ancient hebrews definatly believed and had a afterlife, it just wasnt the chrtistian version

Ancient Hebrew Abraham [Hebrews 11v19] believed Jehovah would 'raise' [resurrect] Isaac back to life. [Bring back to life after death via resurrection]

There is the 'so-called Christian version' and the 'first-century Christian version' as Jesus taught about resurrection.

There is a BIG difference because the one teaches the false non-biblical concept of soul immortality Not found in Scripture. [Eze. 18vs4,20; Acts 3v23],
and the other teaches the first-century teaching of resurrection to either heaven to reign with Christ [Rev 20v6;14v4; 5vs9,10],
or a physical resurrection on earth during Jesus messianic 1000-year reign over earth.

 

[Pegg]

Hell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Daniel 12:2 proclaims "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt."

according to that scripture, these ones 'sleep in the dust'

is that equivalent to living as conscious people in the spirit world??? Have you ever known a sleeping person to be conscious? can you talk to a sleeping person and will they talk back?

Judaism does not have a specific doctrine about the afterlife, but it does have a mystical/Orthodox tradition of describing Gehenna. Gehenna is not Hell, but rather a sort of Purgatory where one is judged based on his or her life's deeds, or rather, where one becomes fully aware of one's own shortcomings and negative actions during one's life.

this says that there is a 'mystical orthodox 'tradition' about this sort of afterlife... it doesnt come from the hebrew scriptures, it comes from other jewish writings or 'traditions'

which is what I meant when i said that the hebrew scriptures do not entertain such ideas.

Sheol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She'ol is the earliest conception of the afterlife in the Jewish scriptures

sheol means the 'grave' of mankind. it is the tomb. What goes into sheol is the dead corpse. That is what the hebrew scriptures state.

 

[fallingblood]

You can get into all the possible mythical details you want.


My only point is that the ancient hebrews definatly believed and had a afterlife, it just wasnt the chrtistian version

That's incorrect. Some ancient Hebrews had an idea of an afterlife but many didn't. More so, some did have a view of an afterlife comparable to the Christian view.

 

[work in progress]

Asherah.

Okay, so I didn't know how it was spelled; you know who I was referring to!

Yes they were polytheistic not henotheistic

Do you understand that there is not a great deal of difference between the two? Henotheism accepts that other gods exist, but worships one god....who happens to be jealous of those other gods....now which term best describes early Hebrew theology?

and Elohim is really just El and Elohim was not always used as plural anyway.

So what!

 

[arcanum]

Hell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Daniel 12:2 proclaims "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt."


Judaism does not have a specific doctrine about the afterlife, but it does have a mystical/Orthodox tradition of describing Gehenna. Gehenna is not Hell, but rather a sort of Purgatory where one is judged based on his or her life's deeds, or rather, where one becomes fully aware of one's own shortcomings and negative actions during one's life.


The overwhelming majority of rabbinic thought maintains that people are not in Gehenna forever; the longest that one can be there is said to be 12 months, however there has been the occasional noted exception




Sheol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She'ol is the earliest conception of the afterlife in the Jewish scriptures




enough?? lets stop the ignorance

Mr. wiki strikes again, I'd like you to cite one scripture from the torah that speaks of an afterlife. Also the pre zoroaster Mesopotamian religion religion did not really have a concept of an afterlife for the common man either. I think the whole concept of an afterlife ultimately can be traced back to Egypt which later fed the ideologies of the Greeks, the Persians, and the Hebrews. Here is an interesting link worth consideration:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/aft_bibl1.htm

 

[work in progress]

Mr. wiki strikes again, I'd like you to cite one scripture from the torah that speaks of an afterlife. Also the pre zoroaster Mesopotamian religion religion did not really have a concept of an afterlife for the common man either. I think the whole concept of an afterlife ultimately can be traced back to Egypt which later fed the ideologies of the Greeks, the Persians, and the Hebrews. Here is an interesting link worth consideration:
The Hebrew Scriptures' teachings on the afterlife: liberal viewpoint

I find myself using Wikipedia alot too, mostly because a well-sourced article will include rebuttals and contrary sources for the contrarians. If I cite my new favourite Biblical scholar -- Bart Ehrman as a source, I get 'well, that's his opinion,' William Lane Craig says............etc.

I like the Religious Tolerance website, and it's a good place to turn for a different opinion to whatever alarmist nonsense is making the rounds. Most conservatives likely consider the word "tolerance" to be a swear word, and read no further of course.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

That's incorrect. Some ancient Hebrews had an idea of an afterlife but many didn't. More so, some did have a view of an afterlife comparable to the Christian view.

...and the 'Scriptural Christian view' is resurrection to either heaven,
or, an earthly resurrection on earth during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.
[Rev 20v6; 14v4; 5vs9,10]

What was Abraham's view [ resurrection or afterlife] if God would have allowed Abraham to go through with sacrificing his son Isaac ?

According to Hebrews [11v19] Abraham believed God was able to raise Isaac up. In order for Isaac to be part of the promised 'seed' through Abraham and Sarah, Isaac would have to be brought back alive in the physical flesh.

Originally there would be no need for the word 'resurrection' because originally man was created to live forever with no need for a resurrection anywhere in heaven or on earth.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

according to that scripture, these ones 'sleep in the dust'
is that equivalent to living as conscious people in the spirit world??? Have you ever known a sleeping person to be conscious? can you talk to a sleeping person and will they talk back?
this says that there is a 'mystical orthodox 'tradition' about this sort of afterlife... it doesn't come from the hebrew scriptures, it comes from other jewish writings or 'traditions'
which is what I meant when i said that the hebrew scriptures do not entertain such ideas.
sheol means the 'grave' of mankind. it is the tomb. What goes into sheol is the dead corpse. That is what the hebrew scriptures state.

Living again 'after life' ends is only going to live again through a resurrection.
Good point: how can a sleeping person [asleep in the dust] be conscious?

[Psalms 6v5; 13v3; 115v17; 146v4; Daniel 12vs2,13]

 

[outhouse]

Mr. wiki strikes again, I'd like you to cite one scripture from the torah that speaks of an afterlife. Also the pre zoroaster Mesopotamian religion religion did not really have a concept of an afterlife for the common man either. I think the whole concept of an afterlife ultimately can be traced back to Egypt which later fed the ideologies of the Greeks, the Persians, and the Hebrews. Here is an interesting link worth consideration:
The Hebrew Scriptures' teachings on the afterlife: liberal viewpoint

do you have a comprehension issue here?

every sentence in the link you quotes talked of a afterlife.

 

[outhouse]

That's incorrect. Some ancient Hebrews had an idea of an afterlife but many didn't. More so, some did have a view of an afterlife comparable to the Christian view.

well you are wrong again if you state many did not believe there was a afterlife.

First ill state when?, what time period, since early judaism was in a constant state of evolution.

next all ask who? lower class?, teachers?


every previous religion in the area had aone form or another of a afterlife. Since these people migrated to Israel. early hebrews were no different.





when you state someone is incorrect it would be great if you could start using sources

 

[fallingblood]

well you are wrong again if you state many did not believe there was a afterlife.

First ill state when?, what time period, since early judaism was in a constant state of evolution.

next all ask who? lower class?, teachers?


every previous religion in the area had aone form or another of a afterlife. Since these people migrated to Israel. early hebrews were no different.





when you state someone is incorrect it would be great if you could start using sources

The ancient Hebrews expand quite some time. If you look at portions of the OT you will see that a number of the writers state that you simply die. My source, the Bible.

 

[arcanum]

do you have a comprehension issue here?

every sentence in the link you quotes talked of a afterlife.

I wouldn't exactly call a state of existence without energy, strength, or consciousness as an afterlife, would you?

 

[outhouse]

I wouldn't exactly call a state of existence without energy, strength, or consciousness as an afterlife, would you?

Any state that says you are still going on, even in suspension or a holding pattern is in fact a afterlife,,,,,,

as it is talking about existance after life

 

[outhouse]

The ancient Hebrews expand quite some time. If you look at portions of the OT you will see that a number of the writers state that you simply die. My source, the Bible.

not good enough for a source, without quoting a specific scipture.