The People’s Guide to Project 2025

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Do you really just make some lumping together of pedophilia, drunk driving and Donald Trump?

I don't know what that means, but yes, I named three things about which I have what I consider a rational bias against. You can add Brussels sprouts to that. I also have a rational bias for many things such as puppies, charitability, Biden, and prosecuting Trump. All of these are based in knowledge, which is what makes them rational.

The level of your bias against Trump is beyond the pale and shows you are not serious.

Regarding beyond the pale, maybe you haven't noticed that tens of millions of Americans agree with me as does most of the free world. The majority of the people who agree with you are low information voters, and I suspect that most are bitter about life and their failure to rise out of subsistence living. When we see them interviewed, there's not much there.

And no, I'm deadly serious.

I notice that you didn't address my argument - just waived it away. The claim still stands: all opinions are biased, but only rational biases are informed by facts, and we can call that knowledge. Likewise, biases like racism are not informed by facts and are therefore irrational.

Can we assume that you have no rebuttal?

No, I am not biased for Trump. You will insist that isn't so, but it truly is.

You called it. Of course your opinion is biased. You defend Trump in these threads just as others criticize him. Same thing, but only one position is compatible with the facts and rational ethics. You have access to all the same facts I do but look where they take you - to defending a monster. I can only guess what went wrong here - either confirmation bias filtering the facts you don't like out (irrational bias) or an issue of morals and basic human decency. So which is it? You can't see what a monster Trump is, or you like him like that?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Do you really just make some lumping together of pedophilia, drunk driving and Donald Trump? The level of your bias against Trump is beyond the pale and shows you are not serious. No, I am not biased for Trump. You will insist that isn't so, but it truly is.

I wouldn't worry. Such comparisons just show the preference by people to use irrelevant hyperbole in wake of actually providing any real actual actions by Trump that would equal such outlandish nonsense.

People who read these threads generally are intelligent enough to separate bull**** from verified facts.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

People who read these threads generally are intelligent enough to separate bull**** from verified facts.

Though apparently not all......

 

[Twilight Hue]

Though apparently not all......

Depends on how biased one is.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

On the upside -- which must might help save America's democracy:

More people today are looking into (Googling and other searches) Project 2025 than are looking at Taylor Swift or the NFL -- and that change has happened in the last 10 days!

There, my friends, is a reason for hope if I ever saw one.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

This is a really great site for digging into the details of Trump/MAGA Project 2025 agenda.

It is a series of nested links on specific topics that give you the page number in the Project 2025 manifesto.

The People’s Guide to Project 2025

We read Project 2025’s Mandate for Leadership so that you don’t have to.

democracyforward.org

Trump disagrees with some of it. Trump put out his own agenda.

I know nothing about Project 2025, I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.” Trump.

 

[F1fan]

Trump disagrees with some of it. Trump put out his own agenda.

I know nothing about Project 2025, I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.” Trump.

Is Trump really this ignorant? Trump knows less than the well informed members of RF, yet he wants to be president? He's unemployed, and all he has to do is play golf. Why isn't he learning about what his side of politics is working to accomplish? And you want him to be president?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Is Trump really this ignorant? Trump knows less than the well informed members of RF, yet he wants to be president? He's unemployed, and all he has to do is play golf. Why isn't he learning about what his side of politics is working to accomplish? And you want him to be president?

Here it is. It does not matter what trump does or says you will make derogatory comments about him and his followers. If he says he supports it or does not support it you will disagree with him. I think you have a problem. Also, notice he said he disagrees with some of it so he knows what it says.

 

[fantome profane]

Trump disagrees with some of it. Trump put out his own agenda.

I know nothing about Project 2025, I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.” Trump.

Why does anyone still think Trump tells the truth?

 

[F1fan]

Here it is. It does not matter what trump does or says you will make derogatory comments about him and his followers.

And members of the KKK don't understand why they are criticized and the majority of white folks don't support them. It's an ugly belief system with uncivilized ideas.

And Trump is to blame for his poor character and how he influences his followers. It's a cult. Trump knows it, as evidenced when he claimed he could shoot someone on 5th Ave and not lose support. He knows his followers aren't sound and critical thinkers, they are blind followers. He talks to them at a 4th grade level in ways that exploit their weakness and emotions. How much worse does your criminal candidate have to become before you are convinced he's unfit for office? If you want respect from others it's on you to earn it. Being a follower of Trump ruins peoples' character.

If he says he supports it or does not support it you will disagree with him.

False. I assess Trump on many factors and he fails miserably in all ways that is important to rational people. I don't see anything Trump offers that is good for the future. I've not seen you are any other follower explain how Trump and his ideas are superior to what Biden/Harris offers. Note that when I say superior I mean what is best for society and the planet as a whole, not for Trump, not for MAGA, not for the wealthy, not for the fragile egos of the far right with their list of grievances.

I think you have a problem.

Of course you do. Notice you can't articulate that my position and support for Biden/Harris is inferior to what you and MAGAs assert superficially. One problem that conservatives actually have is the feeling that they're entitled to win elections and be in charge. Republicans are often stunned to lose, and have contempt for the voters who rejected them and their toxic agendas. That's why gerrymandering is crucial for them, and limiting voting access in democrat areas. They struggle to win on ideas, so cheating is their option.

Also, notice he said he disagrees with some of it so he knows what it says.

Rational people know not to trust Trump since he is a chronic lair all the time. It's not a surprise that you allow yourself to be duped.

Trump is a convicted felon, commits sexual assault, fraud, tried to overturn the 2020 election, yet you support him. What does that tell us about you?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Why does anyone still think Trump tells the truth?

Trump lies and tells the truth. Biden lies and tells the truth. They are politicians.

 

[fantome profane]

Trump lies and tells the truth. Biden lies and tells the truth. They are politicians.

But when Trump lies you believe him. You base the arguments that you make here on this board on the assumption that Trump is telling the truth.

My free advice, stop doing that. Stop quoting Trump like his words have any validity.

 

[F1fan]

Trump lies and tells the truth. Biden lies and tells the truth. They are politicians.

Trump lies much more. And his lies are worse, as in more blatantly false. And Trump is a felon politician, unlike Biden. And Trump has committed sexual assault, unlike Biden. And Trump has a long history of business and non-profit fraud, unlike Biden. Trump has a long history of tax fraud, cheating the state of revenue, unlike Biden who pays his taxes. Trump lied about election fraud and worked to encourage others to commit violance, and election fraud in seven states, unlike Biden who respects the election system.

So while you try to make them seem the same, they are not. That you can't point to Trump being superior suggests you understand he is corrupt, and can't deny it. So your only option is trying to claim they are both the same, which is factually untrue. Do you really not understand that critical thinkers can't see through this ruse? Or are you trying to fool yourself?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Trump disagrees with some of it. Trump put out his own agenda.

I know nothing about Project 2025, I have no idea who is behind it. I disagree with some of the things they’re saying and some of the things they’re saying are absolutely ridiculous and abysmal. Anything they do, I wish them luck, but I have nothing to do with them.” Trump.

The things they are doing are abysmal and ridiculous, but I wish them luck.


LOL

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Trump is a convicted felon, commits sexual assault, fraud, tried to overturn the 2020 election, yet you support him. What does that tell us about you?

I don't know. The problem is you cannot seem to talk about Trump or his supporters rationally. You have bought into the narrative by the dems and the media that Trump is a Nazi of some sort. That is not rational. I don't like everything Trump does and I like some things Biden has done.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't know. The problem is you cannot seem to talk about Trump or his supporters rationally. You have bought into the narrative by the dems and the media that Trump is a Nazi of some sort. That is not rational. I don't like everything Trump does and I like some things Biden has done.

This was in response to, "Trump is a convicted felon, commits sexual assault, fraud, tried to overturn the 2020 election, yet you support him. What does that tell us about you?"

Notice how you didn't respond to anything listed, and instead claimed the person pointing them out to you is the irrational one? Irrational for what, exactly? Not supporting a convicted felon, sexual assaulter, fraud and overturner of elections?? Come again?

 

[wellwisher]

This is a really great site for digging into the details of Trump/MAGA Project 2025 agenda.

It is a series of nested links on specific topics that give you the page number in the Project 2025 manifesto.

The People’s Guide to Project 2025

We read Project 2025’s Mandate for Leadership so that you don’t have to.

democracyforward.org

Well, it is basially a Heritage Foundation document, I believe.

"The Heritage Foundation and the 100+ organizations that make up the Project 2025 Advisory Board have mapped out exactly how they will achieve their extreme ends. They aim to try and carry out many of the most troubling proposals through an anti-democratic president and political loyalists installed in the executive branch, without waiting for congressional action. And, while many of these plans are unlawful, winning in court is not guaranteed given that the same far-right movement that is behind Project 2025 has shaped our current court system."

The People’s Guide to Project 2025

We read Project 2025’s Mandate for Leadership so that you don’t have to.

democracyforward.org

Interesting times ahead, that's for sure.

The main Constitutional role for the Federal Government is to provide for the common defense. Promoting the General welfare is not the same as the current providing the General welfare. That misuse of power has resulted in the bloated deficit creating Federal Government bureaucracy. That side of the Federal Government should be sent back to the States, with the Fed left with more of a General Welfare advisory or cheerleader role that promotes the best ideas. This way the Country is protected and Liberal and Conservative States can both run their own general welfare experiments, so it does not always come down to Conservative tax dollar supplementing the Liberal over bloated deficit ridden Federal government. We can run side-by-side experiments so the facts, based on results, can outweigh all the Liberal lies and propaganda. Even Liberal will see the differences when not blended and spun.

If the Liberals want brain washing, in the disguise of education, Liberal states can do teach only the proper pronouns. Conservatives States can work on the foundational learning like reading, writing and arithmetic. If liberal states want illegal immigration we can send all the illegals to Liberal state to maintain, using only Liberal State taxes. The Conservative can restrict themselves to legal immigrants and plan better. Side by side comparison will allow the people to see and choose. Big Government offers little in the way of choice, and like in the present Administration, leads to corruption and misuse of power. This topic is a projection fest for the Left, who is what they claim of the other side.

The Left base is so used to brain washed dependency, like slaves, that being free seems radical to them and must be scary for them. In my experiment the Liberal states will become overbearing central, while the Conservative states will be the free states. The fear of the Left leadership and disinformation wing, is they will be left without anybody working the Lefty Plantations, when the merits of freedom are nearby. We can already see the panic setting in.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

This was in response to, "Trump is a convicted felon, commits sexual assault, fraud, tried to overturn the 2020 election, yet you support him. What does that tell us about you?"

Notice how you didn't respond to anything listed, and instead claimed the person pointing them out to you is the irrational one? Irrational for what, exactly? Not supporting a convicted felon, sexual assaulter, fraud and overturner of elections?? Come again?

Ok, I support a convicted felon, that was convicted of falsifying business records to cover up an NDE with a porn star. I am ok with that. We all know he would have never been charged if his name was not Trump.

What was Trump convicted of? Details on the 34 counts and his guilty verdict

Former President Donald Trump was found guilty of 34 counts of falsifying business records. Here's what to know about the charges.

www.cbsnews.com

I do not agree that there was sufficient evidence to support the civil sexual abuse case, I do not agree he tried to overturn the 2020 election.

 

[Shaul]

Why does anyone still think Trump tells the truth?

Why does anyone still think CNN tells the truth or is a genuine news source?
Why are leftists trying to talk about Project 2025 instead of President Biden and his abysmal record?

 

[F1fan]

I don't know. The problem is you cannot seem to talk about Trump or his supporters rationally.

Since you are a Trump supporter have you considered that you might feel the sting of criticism and need to blinding reject it? Let's see what other critics of MAGA say, and compare it to the defensiveness of MAGAs themselves. A rational mind is looking for rebuttals of critique, and thus far you haven't offered any, just kneejerk reactions. So no problem on my part.

You have bought into the narrative by the dems and the media that Trump is a Nazi of some sort.

Funny you go right to a strawman, and don't rebut any of the actual critique of Trump and MAGAs. That is a problem you have here.

That is not rational.

Correct, you aren't being rational. The dilemma for irrational thinkers is that they aren't assessing themselves.

I don't like everything Trump does and I like some things Biden has done.

And here you have gone from an extreme strawman to an olive leaf. as if to escape this discourse. Still no defense of Trump, or his agenda, or his criminal behavior, or his lies, and nothing about how Biden is inferior as a leader of the administration.

Our NATO allies are worried about Trump if elected. Many in law and politics are worried about Trump abusing the immunity that the SCOTUS has ruled on. And the only thing that can prevent national security, social unrest, and global instability is voters understanding the threat Trump's poor mental processing is. You illustrate how conservative voters are not looking at the evidence of Trump being a threat to the future. What's the worst of Biden having more decline in the next 4 years? Harris continuing the Biden agenda. Of course this isn't bad in any way when the alternative is Trump chaos and disintegration of norms.