The Problem with "Fighting" Homosexuality

[viole]

Sin only applies to those that follow the religion.

Yes, akin of being a thetan.

Ciao

- viole

 

[MikeSavage]

Yes, akin of being a thetan.

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- viole

What is a thetan?

 

[viole]

What is a thetan?

Body thetan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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- viole

 

[MikeSavage]

Body thetan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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- viole

Thanks for the reply. Scripturally speaking, spirit means the breath of life, soul means life. We have no immortal soul. Adam BECAME a living soul. The soul that sinneth, it itself shall die. Nothing survives death. Your thoughts do perish. There are hundreds more scriptural quotes that support what I have posted here. The scriptures are quite clear that this is the truth.

 

[viole]

Thanks for the reply. Scripturally speaking, spirit means the breath of life, soul means life. We have no immortal soul. Adam BECAME a living soul. The soul that sinneth, it itself shall die. Nothing survives death. Your thoughts do perish. There are hundreds more scriptural quotes that support what I have posted here. The scriptures are quite clear that this is the truth.

Good to know. If Scriptures say so, who am I to doubt their veracity?

And that would make the whole issue about sin moot, wouldn't it?

Ciao

- viole

 

[MikeSavage]

Good to know. If Scriptures say so, who am I to doubt their veracity?

And that would make the whole issue about sin moot, wouldn't it?

Ciao

- viole

I don't know about that. NOT doing God's will, ALL of it, all the time, is sinning. Being part of any religion is sinning. Being part of the world is sinning. We were born with inherited sin. We all sin, most of the time. It is in asking for forgiveness, and repenting, that we begin to comply with the will of God.

 

[viole]

I don't know about that. NOT doing God's will, ALL of it, all the time, is sinning. Being part of any religion is sinning. Being part of the world is sinning. We were born with inherited sin. We all sin, most of the time. It is in asking for forgiveness, and repenting, that we begin to comply with the will of God.

But who cares, if our thoughts die irreversibly?

Ciao

- viole

 

[MikeSavage]

But who cares, if our thoughts die irreversibly?

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- viole

God cares. He wants all to attain forgiveness and repentance, and eternal life. If one does His will, then that one will be protected and survive the soon to arrive final battle, Armageddon, and that one will live eternally. Otherwise, you are correct, that one dies permanently. It's a choice.

 

[viole]

God cares. He wants all to attain forgiveness and repentance, and eternal life. If one does His will, then that one will be protected and survive the soon to arrive final battle, Armageddon, and that one will live eternally. Otherwise, you are correct, that one dies permanently. It's a choice.

So, we can have eternal life after all. I thought we do not survive death, no matter what.

I think you have to make up your mind. Or Scriptures have to do that, if they had a mind, of course.

Ciao

- viole

 

[sojourner]

I don't know about that. NOT doing God's will, ALL of it, all the time, is sinning. Being part of any religion is sinning. Being part of the world is sinning. We were born with inherited sin. We all sin, most of the time. It is in asking for forgiveness, and repenting, that we begin to comply with the will of God.

Somehow, I don't think Jesus espoused this kind of "life sucks and then you die" outlook. Jesus talks about abundance, grace, goodness, hope -- you know, good stuff that's actually healthy for the psyche.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Jesus talks about abundance, grace, goodness, hope -- you know, good stuff that's actually healthy for the psyche.

I still think the Sermon on the Mount is beautiful.

 

[sojourner]

I still think the Sermon on the Mount is beautiful.

Yes it is. Mike Savage must have missed that part...

 

[MikeSavage]

So, we can have eternal life after all. I thought we do not survive death, no matter what.

I think you have to make up your mind. Or Scriptures have to do that, if they had a mind, of course.

Ciao

- viole

If we do the will of God now, then we survive Armageddon. That includes having nothing to do with religion. That includes ALL that we are commanded to do. If we do the entire will of God, and die, we will be resurrected during judgement day (thousand year period after armageddon). We do not survive death, but are promised resurrection in the new system. We must then comply with God. If we do so, we will live eternally. If not, we die again rather abruptly, permanently. There is no making up my mind. I have not contradicted myself at all.

 

[viole]

If we do the
will of God now, then we survive Armageddon. That includes having nothing to do with religion. That includes ALL that we are commanded to do. If we do the entire will of God, and die, we will be resurrected during judgement day (thousand year period after armageddon). We do not survive death, but are promised resurrection in the new system. We must then comply with God. If we do so, we will live eternally. If not, we die again rather abruptly, permanently. There is no making up my mind. I have not contradicted myself at all.

Fine. But can we survive our thoughts, in this special case ?

If yes, would you revise your statement that we cannot possibly survive our thoughts?


Ciao

- viole

 

[MikeSavage]

Fine. But can we survive our thoughts, in this special case ?

If yes, would you revise your statement that we cannot possibly survive our thoughts?


Ciao

- viole

Survive our thoughts? What does that mean? I stated that our thoughts perish when we die, not that we do not survive our thoughts.

 

[dgirl1986]

Owing to the fact that one does not "burn", as hell is not a place of torment, it is the common grave of mankind, then it's not a worry. And, since we do NOT have an immortal soul as the scriptures CLEARLY say, what could be sent there to be tormented? Regarding homosexuality, it's your choice to do the ENTIRE will of God, or not. If one chooses "not", then there is no salvation, or resurrection after the Kingdom takes over ruling Earth. Simply put, you should enjoy your life now, because that's it if you reject doing God's will. If one DOES the entire will of God, then we have ETERNAL life to look forward to on Earth, after Armageddon. Could be billions of years. No one really knows what God means by eternal. It doesn't mean immortal though, just eternal. I am sure you know that it's God's will to reject homosexual acts, or any sexually immoral act, such as sex outside the bonds of marriage, so no point in hashing that over again. Your choice to either live for now, and forget eternal life as promised, or to accept that free gift from the God of all creation.

To be fair, I can only reject the will of god if I believe in the existance of such a god.

 

[dgirl1986]

No, sin does not "apply only to those that follow religion". One is born with sin. One sins constantly. Religion is All false. The "one true faith" that Jesus taught is the only thing that isn't false, and no religion teaches that. They are all, as Galations 5:19-21 clearly indicates, works of the flesh. They will ALL be destroyed, as Revelation to John clearly indicates. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that sin only applies to those involved in false religion, as all religion is false. To think that one is smarter, or more intelligent than the One who created us, is, quite simply put, insane. The creation cannot be greater than the creator.

Again, you refer to sin as it is understood by your religion and dictated by your holy text. Therefore in order for any of that to be valid you have to first believe that it is true.

All mainstream religions teach that they are the one true religions. The two that comes to mind both have holy books and appear in history also. Logically you would have to assume that one or both is wrong.

 

[dgirl1986]

I don't know about that. NOT doing God's will, ALL of it, all the time, is sinning. Being part of any religion is sinning. Being part of the world is sinning. We were born with inherited sin. We all sin, most of the time. It is in asking for forgiveness, and repenting, that we begin to comply with the will of God.

If being part of any religion is sinning then why go to church and obey religious law?

 

[MikeSavage]

To be fair, I can only reject the will of god if I believe in the existance of such a god.

Why would you not believe in God the Almighty? Evidence of His existence surrounds you every second of your life. Such evidence includes your life. If your disbelief comes from false religion (the Bible says ALL religions are false) then I can sympathize with you. They all lie and teach things different from what God teaches us. Each and every one of them. In fact, the Bible says they are all "works of the flesh" and that they will all be wiped from the face of the Earth. Soon.

 

[Drolefille]

Why would you not believe in God the Almighty?

Because despite praying extensively, I lost my faith. Besides that I find no compelling reason that the god of the bible is the only god or the best god or the god I really should like even if I did believe in deities.

Evidence of His existence surrounds you every second of your life. Such evidence includes your life.

That's debatable really, I mean I'm pretty sure my parents had sex and my mom gave birth to me, and their parents had sex and so on. There's little to tie any deity to my existence.

If your disbelief comes from false religion (the Bible says ALL religions are false) then I can sympathize with you. They all lie and teach things different from what God teaches us.

That's nice but if all religions lie then why not all books or all people? I mean it's a fine line to walk to believe in the Bible but pretend one doesn't have a personal belief system that would easily be called a religion.

Each and every one of them. In fact, the Bible says they are all "works of the flesh" and that they will all be wiped from the face of the Earth. Soon.

Cool, if that happens, maybe I'll believe. And if your god is almighty he knows it'd take something like for me to believe so he either loves me and wants me or doesn't. Simple.

Regardless, if I eat pork I'm sinning against G-d or Allah and if I eat meat on Fridays I might be sinning against God, or maybe only if I have sexy fun times with another woman, but if I harm others I offend the Lady and her Lord.

Honestly, I feel it's better just to be a good person by my standards, which includes being bisexual and acting on it if the case may be