The Qur'an allows sex-slaves...!?

[BSM1]

Islam encourages freeing the slaves and gives women the dignity and modesty, so this video is nonsense.

Hahahah...oh, wait, you're serious.

 

[firedragon]

FIFY

Yep. Where is your proof that there is no slavery anymore mate? Before fixing others posts, maybe you should look in the mirror.

 

[Rival]

So even your religion did not ban slavery?

Did your religion encourage to free slaves as Islam?

Godobeyer,

Ma religion ne mentionne pas l'esclavage.

Pas du tout.

 

[firedragon]

Hahahah...oh, wait, you're serious.

Hahahah...oh, wait, you're serious.

Very.

Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but pious is one who
· believes in God and the Last Day,
· and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives money out of love to the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask,
· and to free the slaves;

· and who upholds prayer, and who contributes towards purification; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of hardship and adversity and when in despair. These are the ones who have been truthful, and these are the righteous. – Quran 2:177

As you can see, freeing slaves is part of a Muslims creed.

· Quran verse 4:92 says that if you kill someone by mistake (e.g. Motor Accident), you must free a slave and compensate the family. Compensating the family is for their wellbeing, freeing a slave is for your salvation. Imagine every Muslim in the world seeking to free a slave in case of an accidental death.

· Verse 5:89 ordains you to free a slave in case you had broken an oath or a promise. If you owe someone money and you break the promise of return, if and when you repent, it is not enough just to return that money. You must free a slave as an act of repentance.

· 9:60 gives you freeing a slave as a duty amongst charity and relieving those in debt.

· The Quran articulates in this manner

“Do you know which the better path is?

o The freeing of slaves.

o Or the feeding on a day of great hardship.

o An orphan of relation.

o Or a poor person in need.”

· Quran 90:12-16

 

[Raahim]

So if it doesn't say any of these things, why are Muslim translators putting it there? Of what possible benefit could it be? Why do they want to crap on their own holy text? Give me a break.

I do want to know. I'm practically pissing myself.

Why would Muslims like Yusuf Ali translate their scriptures wrong?

When you translate something (not just Qur'an) you lose one very deep layer of it - the language. Arabic is very complex & rich language and comparing him to English language many things need to be improvised (to still have closest meaning) and you get what you get. This is why there is such strong emphasis on learning Qur'an in Arabic.

 

[Rival]

How you explain that slavery in (in general) Muslims world is not exist anymore ?

Les musulmans ont interdit l'esclavage because de l'Occident. The Qur'an autorise l'esclavage.

Excuse-moi, j'aime la language francais.

 

[Rival]

When you translate something (not just Qur'an) you lose one very deep layer of it - the language. Arabic is very complex & rich language and comparing him to English language many things need to be improvised (to still have closest meaning) and you get what you get. This is why there is such strong emphasis on learning Qur'an in Arabic.

According to Firedragon, they could have just put 'those who are under oath to you' or 'those who are promised to you.' Kinda simple really.

 

[BSM1]

Very.

Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but pious is one who
· believes in God and the Last Day,
· and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives money out of love to the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask,
· and to free the slaves;

· and who upholds prayer, and who contributes towards purification; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of hardship and adversity and when in despair. These are the ones who have been truthful, and these are the righteous. – Quran 2:177

As you can see, freeing slaves is part of a Muslims creed.

· Quran verse 4:92 says that if you kill someone by mistake (e.g. Motor Accident), you must free a slave and compensate the family. Compensating the family is for their wellbeing, freeing a slave is for your salvation. Imagine every Muslim in the world seeking to free a slave in case of an accidental death.

· Verse 5:89 ordains you to free a slave in case you had broken an oath or a promise. If you owe someone money and you break the promise of return, if and when you repent, it is not enough just to return that money. You must free a slave as an act of repentance.

· 9:60 gives you freeing a slave as a duty amongst charity and relieving those in debt.

· The Quran articulates in this manner

“Do you know which the better path is?

o The freeing of slaves.

o Or the feeding on a day of great hardship.

o An orphan of relation.

o Or a poor person in need.”

· Quran 90:12-16

Obviously we're not going to see eye to eye on this but I believe you are sugar coating one interesting fact: to free a slave one must first have a slave. IMO a pious man would not have a slave to begin with.

 

[firedragon]

Obviously we're not going to see eye to eye on this but I believe you are sugar coating one interesting fact: to free a slave one must first have a slave. IMO a pious man would not have a slave to begin with.

No. You can free a slave anyway.

 

[firedragon]

According to Firedragon, they could have just put 'those who are under oath to you' or 'those who are promised to you.' Kinda simple really.

No.

Spoils of war and captives are just not there in the verse you provided. Its from Surah AL Ahzab. 33:50.

You cant put words into it, you have to translate it. Understand it mate, dont create quotes on behalf of others out of thin air.

 

[Rival]

No.

Spoils of war and captives are just not there in the verse you provided. Its from Surah AL Ahzab. 33:50.

You cant put words into it, you have to translate it. Understand it mate, dont create quotes on behalf of others out of thin air.

We're discussing slavery. That is what this topic is about. So I'm discussing the translation of the words 'slave' and such.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

So even your religion did not ban slavery?

Zoroastrianism doesn't spell out a lot of things because one of the key concepts of the religion is freedom of choice. Mazda worshippers are not slaves to their god like you are to yours - and are free to figure things out for themselves.

How you explain that slavery in (in general) Muslims world is not exist anymore ?

You can thank the West for that. At the end of WW1, after the Ottoman Empire was defeated and broken up, the European nations assumed control of certain parts of its territory. They then introduced anti-slavery sentiments through law and cultural influence. There are no documented examples of abolitionist movements in the Muslim world prior to this.

Yep. Where is your proof that there is no slavery anymore mate? Before fixing others posts, maybe you should look in the mirror.

Two things:

1. This thread is about slavery being permitted, not whether it happens regardless of legal sanction.
2. Again with this. Why? Why do Muslims do this?! You proclaim your religion is the ultimate and complete one, containing the best morality from the supreme source of it in all existence; but when someone points out a flaw you immediately excuse it because us immoral kuffar are doing it too. What the actual ****? Why do Muslims like to proclaim a 'superior moral standard' but don't like it when their actions are held up to that standard, and immediately resort to calling on an 'inferior' one to justify what they do?

 

[Godobeyer]

Godobeyer,

Ma religion ne mentionne pas l'esclavage.

Pas du tout.

Mais, votre religion ne interdit pas l'esclavage? c'est me concerne !

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Obviously we're not going to see eye to eye on this but I believe you are sugar coating one interesting fact: to free a slave one must first have a slave. IMO a pious man would not have a slave to begin with.

THIS.

 

[Sabour]

Obviously we're not going to see eye to eye on this but I believe you are sugar coating one interesting fact: to free a slave one must first have a slave. IMO a pious man would not have a slave to begin with.

If I told you " you should solve your problems" does that mean if you don't have a problem, you must create one, so you can solve it?

 

[Rival]

Mais, votre religion ne interdit pas l'esclavage? c'est me concerne !

Ma religion ne dit rien de l'esclavage. Alors, il n'y a pas interdiction, ni le permettez. Individual Zoroastrians decide.

 

[Godobeyer]

Les musulmans ont interdit l'esclavage because de l'Occident.

Non,je ne suis pas d'accord avec vous.
L'islame c'est le seul religion qui encourage les Musulmans de libre les esclaves.
c'est pour ça les esclavage disparus au monde Musulman

The Qur'an autorise l'esclavage.

Comme tout les religions

Excuse-moi, j'aime la language francais.

Moi ausi, mais j'aime la language anglais beaucoup plus que le français.[/QUOTE]

 

[Aquitaine]

Wow, the mental gymnastics and denial in this thread is astonishing. Never have I seen a believer (in this case a muslim) argue against what is actually physically written in a physical copy of the scripture (in this case the koran).

B-b-but 'TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT!' Or 'ARABIC IS A VAGUE COMPLEX LANGUAGE!'.
Yeah yeah, we've heard it all before a thousand times. Rival has posted photos from an actual koran confirming her stance, game over.

 

[Godobeyer]

Ma religion ne dit rien de l'esclavage.

C'est pas mon problem

Alors, il n'y a pas interdiction, ni le permettez. Individual Zoroastrians decide.

'il n'y a pas interdiction" c'est ma concerne ici

 

[Aquitaine]

How you explain that slavery in (in general) Muslims world is not exist anymore ?

Wait so, you think there are essentially no slaves in the muslim world, but that there are plenty of slaves in the "western" world?