The Qur'an allows sex-slaves...!?

[YmirGF]

In fact Islam makes it an article of faith and redemption from sin to free a slave. Doesnt say your slave, but A SLAVE.

1. You cant have slaves
2. You must free slaves.

And yet, the reality is that Islam has never forbidden or abolished slavery.

There's that little interpretation bugaboo again.... it's almost as wily as a shape-shifting Jew.

 

[Godobeyer]

Zoroastrianism doesn't spell out a lot of things because one of the key concepts of the religion is freedom of choice. Mazda worshippers are not slaves to their god like you are to yours - and are free to figure things out for themselves.

Not much sense to me ,since it's not ban or at least encourge to free slaves.

You can thank the West for that. At the end of WW1, after the Ottoman Empire was defeated and broken up, the European nations assumed control of certain parts of its territory. They then introduced anti-slavery sentiments through law and cultural influence. There are no documented examples of abolitionist movements in the Muslim world prior to this.

Slavery is still exist in West by other ways .

Check google "Red Light District:"

 

[Rival]

Non,je ne suis pas d'accord avec vous.
L'islame c'est le seul religion qui encourage les Musulmans de libre les esclaves.
c'est pour ça les esclavage disparus au monde Musulman

Où est le verset? Hadith? Pourquoi Mahomet avoit-il des esclaves, a la Marie le Copt?

"Comme tout les religions"

Vrai, mais ne pas bon.

"Moi ausi, mais j'aime la language anglais beaucoup plus que le français"

Blaspheme!

 

[firedragon]

And yet, the reality is that Islam has never forbidden or abolished slavery.

There is slavery in DXB, but not in Indonesia.

Thus, you cant say that Islam has never forbidden or abolished slavery. Its false.

 

[Godobeyer]

Où est le verset? Hadith? Pourquoi Mahomet avoit-il des esclaves, a la Marie le Copt?

"Comme tout les religions"

Vrai, mais ne bonne pas.

"Moi ausi, mais j'aime la language anglais beaucoup plus que le français"

Blaspheme!

Quel verse or Hadith vous voulez ? parle de quoi ?

 

[firedragon]

Two things:

1. This thread is about slavery being permitted, not whether it happens regardless of legal sanction.
2. Again with this. Why? Why do Muslims do this?! You proclaim your religion is the ultimate and complete one, containing the best morality from the supreme source of it in all existence; but when someone points out a flaw you immediately excuse it because us immoral kuffar are doing it too. What the actual ****? Why do Muslims like to proclaim a 'superior moral standard' but don't like it when their actions are held up to that standard, and immediately resort to calling on an 'inferior' one to justify what they do?

I didnt " immediately excuse it because us immoral kuffar are doing it too.". Thats a normal thing you have got used to saying. Not related.

But you said slavery doesnt exist anymore. Which is false. Check again.

 

[FearGod]

Wow, the mental gymnastics and denial in this thread is astonishing. Never have I seen a believer (in this case a muslim) argue against what is actually physically written in a physical copy of the scripture (in this case the koran).

B-b-but 'TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT!' Or 'ARABIC IS A VAGUE COMPLEX LANGUAGE!'.
Yeah yeah, we've heard it all before a thousand times. Rival has posted photos from an actual koran confirming her stance, game over.

Who cares for what you want to believe!

We are believers and you are disbelievers, game over

 

[firedragon]

We're discussing slavery. That is what this topic is about. So I'm discussing the translation of the words 'slave' and such.

You are right. Thats what I am discussing too. We havent even got there yet because you quote the wrong verses.

I understand that you will see it that way, but when you ask some question and say "give me a break" it shows that you are not looking for understanding but to insult.

 

[YmirGF]

There is slavery in DXB, but not in Indonesia.

Thus, you cant say that Islam has never forbidden or abolished slavery. Its false.

Rubbish. Islam in Indonesia is still a new fad as these things go and that was long after slavery had begun to be frowned on by most of the civilized world.
It probably isn't a fashion there simply because they know how the rest of the world would react.


At least try to inject some creativity into your answer, firedragon. You know what? Now that I think of it, I've never read any rulings on taking slaves, only on treating them kindly and freeing them. Again, I've never seen any ruling from an Islamic scholar outlawing the practice.... just on the imperative to not treat them like dogs...

 

[Rival]

Quel verse or Hadith vous voulez ? parle de quoi ?

on se tutoie?

Je voudrais un verset de Mahomet liberer les esclaves.

 

[Rival]

You are right. Thats what I am discussing too. We havent even got there yet because you quote the wrong verses.

I understand that you will see it that way, but when you ask some question and say "give me a break" it shows that you are not looking for understanding but to insult.

Which are the right verses? Come on let's go baby.

 

[Aquitaine]

There is slavery in DXB, but not in Indonesia.

Thus, you cant say that Islam has never forbidden or abolished slavery. Its false.

There exists elements of slavery in practically every country, mostly underground. Out of curiosity, do you hold Indonesia as an 'example' and good representation of a muslim nation acting accordingly?

Slavery is still exist in West by other ways .

Check google "Red Light District:"

Slavery still exists in most parts of the world, including the muslim world.
Not all prostitutes are slaves.
Muslim countries have prostitutes, they just hide it better.
Muslim royalty come to the west and hire prostitutes and take drugs, then return home and act 'holy'.

 

[YmirGF]

You are right. Thats what I am discussing too. We havent even got there yet because you quote the wrong verses.

I understand that you will see it that way, but when you ask some question and say "give me a break" it shows that you are not looking for understanding but to insult.

Oh, come now, firedragon. It's not like Muslims led the world in abolishing slavery.

 

[Aquitaine]

Who cares for what you want to believe!

We are believers and you are disbelievers, game over

And there it is, folks: "Yeah well you're going to burn in Hell and I'm not, so there!".
So you accept defeat in this thread then; you accept that the koran permits slave-owning as seen in Rival's koran?

 

[Sabour]

Oh, come now, firedragon. It's not like Muslims led the world in abolishing slavery.

Islam sure took the initiative.

 

[firedragon]

Rubbish. Islam in Indonesia is still a new fad as these things go and that was long after slavery had begun to be frowned on by most of the civilized world.
It probably isn't a fashion there simply because they know how the rest of the world would react.

Alright, where do you get the fashion of slavery? I would like to know.

At least try to inject some creativity into your answer, firedragon. You know what? Now that I think of it, I've never read any rulings on taking slaves, only on treating them kindly and freeing them. Again, I've never seen any ruling from an Islamic scholar outlawing the practice.... just on the imperative to not treat them like dogs...

You are right.

 

[YmirGF]

Alright, where do you get the fashion of slavery? I would like to know.

I don't understand what you are asking here. I was simply using the word "fashion" as a figure of speech synonymous with "custom".

You are right.

THANK YOU!

Now I can go get my first cup of coffee of the morning..... then, I'll be awake.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Not much sense to me ,since it's not ban or at least encourge to free slaves.

Does not-banning slavery permit it any more than not-permitting slavery bans it, right?

Slavery is still exist in West by other ways .

Check google "Red Light District:"

I'll say to you the same thing I said to FD:

1. This thread is about slavery being permitted, not whether it happens regardless of legal sanction.
2. Again with this. Why? Why do Muslims do this?! You proclaim your religion is the ultimate and complete one, containing the best morality from the supreme source of it in all existence; but when someone points out a flaw you immediately excuse it because us immoral kuffar are doing it too. What the actual ****? Why do Muslims like to proclaim a 'superior moral standard' but don't like it when their actions are held up to that standard, and immediately resort to calling on an 'inferior' one to justify what they do?

Either stop claiming yours is the morally perfect religion or stop using the kuffar as your excuse every time you drop the ball in terms of morality.

And I'll add in the following:

Not all prostitutes are sex-slaves.

I didnt " immediately excuse it because us immoral kuffar are doing it too.". Thats a normal thing you have got used to saying. Not related.

You attempted to pass the buck because everywhere (including non-Muslims) do slavery, apparently.

But you said slavery doesnt exist anymore. Which is false. Check again.

Did I? Where did I say that? A direct quote please.

 

[Aquitaine]

Islam sure took the initiative.

The Ottomans surely didn't do a good job of that initiative then, did they?

 

[FearGod]

And there it is, folks: "Yeah well you're going to burn in Hell and I'm not, so there!".
So you accept defeat in this thread then; you accept that the koran permits slave-owning as seen in Rival's koran?

LOL, i ain't god to tell who goes to hell.
It's up to me for what i want to believe and for what i want to disbelieve.

We aren't in contest for who'll lose and for who'll win, we explain our views and opinions, you may agree
and you may disagree.