The Qur'an allows sex-slaves...!?

[Lyndon]

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As is well documented, that's an absolutely horrible translation of the Koran, not even done by Muslims.

 

[Godobeyer]

Mais, Mahoment a achete des esclaves et...

A man from the Ansar called Basrah said: I married a virgin woman in her veil. When I entered upon her, I found her pregnant. (I mentioned this to the Prophet). The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: She will get the dower, for you made her vagina lawful for you. The child will be your slave. When she has begotten (a child), flog her (according to the version of al-Hasan). The version of Ibn AbusSari has: You people, flog her, or said: inflict hard punishment on him.
Abu Dawud: 11:2126

(Je ne trouve pas en francais! )

Your reference is from anti-Islam website!

I don't hear about prophet Muhammad (pbuh) buy slaves.
reference ?

I heard that he free up his slaves and encourage his follower to free :

Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet said, "Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Food, Meals, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 286)"

 

[Rival]

Your reference is from anti-Islam website!

I don't hear about prophet Muhammad (pbuh) buy slaves.
reference ?

I heard that he free up his slaves and encourage his follower to free :

Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari: "The Prophet said, "Give food to the hungry, pay a visit to the sick and release (set free) the one in captivity (by paying his ransom)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Food, Meals, Volume 7, Book 65, Number 286)"

There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man) (Sahih Muslim 3901).

And he gave women out

The apostle gave Ali a girl called Rayta; and he gave Uthman a girl called Zaynab; and he gave Umar a girl whom Umar gave to his son Abdullah. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 878)

 

[Godobeyer]

There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man) (Sahih Muslim 3901).

And he gave women out

The apostle gave Ali a girl called Rayta; and he gave Uthman a girl called Zaynab; and he gave Umar a girl whom Umar gave to his son Abdullah. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 878)

Why you keep us anti-Islam website as reference lol

 

[Lyndon]

Wow, the mental gymnastics and denial in this thread is astonishing. Never have I seen a believer (in this case a muslim) argue against what is actually physically written in a physical copy of the scripture (in this case the koran).

B-b-but 'TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT!' Or 'ARABIC IS A VAGUE COMPLEX LANGUAGE!'.
Yeah yeah, we've heard it all before a thousand times. Rival has posted photos from an actual koran confirming her stance, game over.

Rival has posted a passage from perhaps the worst translation of the Koran in History, no wonder she has so many problems with it.

 

[Rival]

Why you keep us anti-Islam website as reference lol

It doesn't matter where it comes from, it's a Sahih Hadith, is it not? It's from Muslim. So address it.

 

[Rival]

Why you keep us anti-Islam website as reference lol

Here http://hadithcollection.com/sahihmu...sahih-muslim-book-010-hadith-number-3901.html

Chapter : Shuf'a (pre-emption).

Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man).

 

[Godobeyer]

Here http://hadithcollection.com/sahihmuslim/138-Sahih Muslim Book 10. Business Transactions/11967-sahih-muslim-book-010-hadith-number-3901.html

Chapter : Shuf'a (pre-emption).

Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported: There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on migration; he (the Holy Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man).

Despite that I have no problem on that, I will check it in Arabic one

 

[FearGod]

Ok well, I decided to give it a shot. I copied what the Arabic writing is from the Quran.com website into Google translate (I know it's not perfect but it can be ok) and here's the result:

23:5
وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِفُرُوجِهِمْ حَافِظُونَ
translated into
"And those who guard their chastity"


23:6
إِلَّا عَلَىٰ أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ
translated into
"Except from their wives or possess their oaths , they are not to blame"

Now, what "possess their oaths" means, I have no idea.

It's translated as "what's your right hand possessed", IOW which is gained by payment.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Rival has posted a passage from perhaps the worst translation of the Koran in History, no wonder she has so many problems with it.

She also posted verses from other widely accepted translations. But lets not, y'know, mention that or anything.

 

[Lyndon]

She also posted verses from other widely accepted translations. But lets not, y'know, mention that or anything.

There is only one widely accepted English translation of the Koran that I know of, the King Fahd Saudi edition, and as far as I know it is not available online so no one ever quotes it.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Christians had slaves in the U.S. That does not allow me to accuse Christianity propagates slavery.

Christianity was used as a justification for propagating slavery, yes, but it was also used as a justification for campaigning for its abolition, and ultimately for outlawing it; something Islam cannot lay claim to. It took the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the European powers picking up the pieces to start outlawing slavery in the Muslim world.

There is only one widely accepted English translation of the Koran that I know of, the King Fahd Saudi edition, and as far as I know it is not available online so no one ever quotes it.

Could be you live near too many Wahabi mosques. That's just a guess. Here's a link which makes mention that the Ali translation was until recently the most popular English one:

"Among those Qur'an translations which found Saudi favor and, therefore, wide distribution, was the Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali (1872-1952) rendition[38] that, from its first appearance in 1934 until very recently, was the most popular English version among Muslims. While not an Islamic scholar in any formal sense, Yusuf 'Ali, an Indian civil servant, had studied classics at Cambridge University, graduated as a lawyer from Lincoln's Inn in London, and was gifted with an eloquent, vivid writing style."

The link doesn't even mention this 'King Fahd' translation you speak of.

 

[Shaul]

Christians had slaves in the U.S. That does not allow me to accuse Christianity propagates slavery. If you wanna have a history discussion, open a thread Shaul. If you wanna have theological discussion, call it Islam, Christianity or any theology you like.

Lets climb over that fence.

Christians certainly used to have a trade in slaves. So, what's your point? Does that justify Muslim slavery? The past and current slavery practiced by Islam is a fact. It is also compatible with the tenets of Islam. That is the simple truth.

 

[Lyndon]

Slavery is supported in the Jewish scriptures, too.

 

[Godobeyer]

@Rival that's very probably fake hadith.

I found a hadiths and all scholars said prophet Muhammad (pbuh) bought slaves to free them

 

[Lyndon]

Christianity was used as a justification for propagating slavery, yes, but it was also used as a justification for campaigning for its abolition, and ultimately for outlawing it; something Islam cannot lay claim to. It took the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the European powers picking up the pieces to start outlawing slavery in the Muslim world.




Could be you live near too many Wahabi mosques. That's just a guess. Here's a link which makes mention that the Ali translation was until recently the most popular English one:

"Among those Qur'an translations which found Saudi favor and, therefore, wide distribution, was the Abdullah Yusuf 'Ali (1872-1952) rendition[38] that, from its first appearance in 1934 until very recently, was the most popular English version among Muslims. While not an Islamic scholar in any formal sense, Yusuf 'Ali, an Indian civil servant, had studied classics at Cambridge University, graduated as a lawyer from Lincoln's Inn in London, and was gifted with an eloquent, vivid writing style."

The link doesn't even mention this 'King Fahd' translation you speak of.

The Yusef Ali translation is common, and affordable, but not the work of scholars, and not looked at as highly accurate.

 

[firedragon]

Christians certainly used to have a trade in slaves. So, what's your point? Does that justify Muslim slavery? The past and current slavery practiced by Islam is a fact. It is also compatible with the tenets of Islam. That is the simple truth.

No. It doesnt justify anything. Nothing. Not even your statement. Ill cut and paste my post again for you to look at it again, but this time please understand it.

Christians had slaves in the U.S. That does not allow me to accuse Christianity propagates slavery.

Tenets of Islam? Read Quran 2:177.

 

[Shaul]

No. It doesnt justify anything. Nothing. Not even your statement. Ill cut and paste my post again for you to look at it again, but this time please understand it.

Christians had slaves in the U.S. That does not allow me to accuse Christianity propagates slavery.

Tenets of Islam? Read Quran 2:177.

Did you bother to read the link I posted? It is evidence that Muslims practice slavery TODAY. If as you keep saying, despite evidence to the contrary, that Islam doesn't condone slavery then why don't you tell it to the thousands of Muslims that are practicing it and proving you are wrong?

And while you are at it you might want to let the editors at WiKipedia know they got it wrong too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery

Good luck with those things.

 

[FearGod]

Did you bother to read the link I posted? It is evidence that Muslims practice slavery TODAY. If as you keep saying, despite evidence to the contrary, that Islam doesn't condone slavery then why don't you tell it to the thousands of Muslims that are practicing it and proving you are wrong?

And while you are at it you might want to let the editors at WiKipedia know they got it wrong too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery

Good luck with those things.

Your source is a silly one, it says from the start " Only children of slaves or non-Muslim prisoners of war could become slaves, never a freeborn Muslim"
How a slave can have children while they're slaves, also how only non-muslim prisoners could become slaves while the same source says
"a Muslim slave is equal to a Muslim freeman in religious issues and superior to the free non-Muslim"

 

[firedragon]

Did you bother to read the link I posted? It is evidence that Muslims practice slavery TODAY. If as you keep saying, despite evidence to the contrary, that Islam doesn't condone slavery then why don't you tell it to the thousands of Muslims that are practicing it and proving you are wrong?

And while you are at it you might want to let the editors at WiKipedia know they got it wrong too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery

Good luck with those things.

I never said that. I dont really care who abolished slavery first. I dont care a damn about the Saudis and their tyrannical cra;p. I dont give a **** about the Dubai Arabs and their child slavery. I am banned from entering some countries because I have written about it. And you would be surprised to know how many Islamic scholars also are against slavery and agree with the blatant Quranic injunctions against it. We expose the Ullamas bias bullshi(t that they invented. We are the ones who get arrested for this.

I dont give a rats *** about this. But I am not gonna stop exposing interpolations in Quranic translations even if the sky falls on my head.

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