The reasons why Islamic women wear the Veil

[Looncall]

Nothing happens. There are the ISIS group right now taking action,, but based on what? They have nothing to do with Islam ( as far as I know about them).

They even reached the area which I am living in and no single muslim living here supports them.

I agree that there is such things as you are mentioning in some parts of the world. But it is as not as you guys picture.

We thank you for your concern about Islam women, but we are not oppressing nor torturing them. This is not Islamic at all.

Being a muslim is about doing it from your heart, so no one can force anyone to do anything Islamic if that person doesn't want to.

After all there is no compulsion in religion.

For muslims to keep parroting "no compulsion in religion" is one of the bitterest jokes of our time.

 

[ametist]

For muslims to keep parroting "no compulsion in religion" is one of the bitterest jokes of our time.

are you sure those who stereotypes muslims arent a bigger joke?

 

[Sabour]

For muslims to keep parroting "no compulsion in religion" is one of the bitterest jokes of our time.

Islam is what the Quraan teaches, not what the muslims "seem" to be doing. I am quoting you the " no compulsion in religion" from the Quraan.

By the way I was reading a book called Muhammad prophet for our time written by Karen Armstrong. Why don't you try and read it? It is written by a non muslim.

There is also a book called " the first muslim" written by Lasley Hazleton , an agnostic Jew.

I heard that the book is really good it leaves nothing for imagination.

 

[Estro Felino]

Islam is what the Quraan teaches, not what the muslims "seem" to be doing. I am quoting you the " no compulsion in religion" from the Quraan.
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could you answer my question, please?
what does a Muslim think of woman's beauty...portrayed in a painting like this?

Titian, Venus of Urbino

 

[Sabour]

There is no point what so ever in answering your question.

Maybe you can google it out.

 

[Debater Slayer]

When God orders us to do somethings, there are reasons for it.

... assuming that a god did actually require anyone to adhere to a particular dress code. I haven't seen any evidence for that assumption; I have only seen people try to come up with explanations as to why such a rule exists, but many of them don't even question the rule itself to begin with.

 

[Sabour]

... assuming that a god did actually require anyone to adhere to a particular dress code. I haven't seen any evidence for that assumption; I have only seen people try to come up with explanations as to why such a rule exists, but many of them don't even question the rule itself to begin with.

You mean to point out where in the Quraan one can show that Allah is asking us to do so ?

 

[Debater Slayer]

You mean to point out where in the Quraan one can show that Allah is asking us to do so ?

No. Even if it is directly mentioned in the Qur'an, how do we know that those are indeed a god's orders and not man-made rules? Merely pointing out that a rule is mentioned in scripture doesn't provide any evidence for its supposed divine origin unless one believes that the scripture in question has a divine origin.

 

[Sabour]

... assuming that a god did actually require anyone to adhere to a particular dress code. I haven't seen any evidence for that assumption; I have only seen people try to come up with explanations as to why such a rule exists, but many of them don't even question the rule itself to begin with.

Well okay than in that case what did you mean by evidence for that assumption?

I am sure you know that we believe that Quraan is the word of Allah revealed to our prophet through the angel Gabriel who is referred in the bible as the holy spirit when he came to Mary.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Nothing happens. There are the ISIS group right now taking action,, but based on what? They have nothing to do with Islam ( as far as I know about them).

They are endeavouring to make an islamic state. That means they have EVERYTHING to do with Islam.

They even reached the area which I am living in and no single muslim living here supports them.

As well they should not.

I agree that there is such things as you are mentioning in some parts of the world. But it is as not as you guys picture.

I agree not all muslims are like this.

We thank you for your concern about Islam women, but we are not oppressing nor torturing them. This is not Islamic at all.

Your society and your religion restrict womens movements and control what they wear. That sounds like oppression. No that IS repression.

Being a muslim is about doing it from your heart, so no one can force anyone to do anything Islamic if that person doesn't want to.

I am not saying muslims do this consciously. They are raised to believe this is acceptable. That does not mean it is.

After all there is no compulsion in religion.

You can not be serious.

 

[Sabour]

They are endeavouring to make an islamic state. That means they have EVERYTHING to do with Islam.

Or they are claiming to do this because of islam when they are not. I dont know how you judje things but those are killing muslims too. Now why would someone doing something for islam kill muslims?

They are not muslims and that can be proved simply by Quraan

As well they should not.


Your society and your religion restrict womens movements and control what they wear. That sounds like oppression. No that IS

I am not saying muslims do this consciously. They are raised to believe this is acceptable. That does not mean it is.



These people who are wearing the hijab are convinced by Islam and do see it as true just as you have your own beliefs

My mom wears hijab whereas by 35 years old sister does not and she is not threatened to do so.

 

[gnostic]

When I was back at full-time studying just a few years back, I have made several female friends who attended classes with me. They used English as 2nd language.

One of them was Muslim girl from Pakistan. She was pretty girl, often wearing a head scarf, when she attend classes. But on some occasions of the month (2 to 4 times a month), though even on rarer occasion she would a whole or two, she would go without them.

I have never ask why she wear them, and I have never pressure her to stop wearing them. The choice is hers, and hers, alone, whether she wear them or not.

As long as I don't see anyone, Muslim friends or relatives, pressuring her to wear head scarf or hajib, I would remain silent on the matters.

 

[roger1440]

If that is the reason, I feel very lost.
Because the woman was created to fascinate men. The divine essence and purpose of the female spirit is to seduce men.
If you prevent a woman from doing that, it's like you killed her.
You kill her divine essence, you kill her femininity.
When a woman fascinates a man, she feels gratified in her role. She feels she's a real woman

How do ugly chicks fit into your equation?

 

[Debater Slayer]

If that is the reason, I feel very lost.
Because the woman was created to fascinate men. The divine essence and purpose of the female spirit is to seduce men.
If you prevent a woman from doing that, it's like you killed her.
You kill her divine essence, you kill her femininity.
When a woman fascinates a man, she feels gratified in her role. She feels she's a real woman

The male gaze exemplified. Not much more to say about such ridiculous statements, really.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Well okay than in that case what did you mean by evidence for that assumption?

I am sure you know that we believe that Quraan is the word of Allah revealed to our prophet through the angel Gabriel who is referred in the bible as the holy spirit when he came to Mary.

I know, which I think is the reason a lot of people try to come up with any explanations for enforcing certain dress codes on women and make inaccurate claims about how such dress codes "reduce the risk of getting raped," among other arguments. My point is that the primary reason people support certain rules is that they are taught to do so by their religion. If those rules weren't endorsed in their religion, they wouldn't try to defend and justify them even when the rules don't make any sense from a strictly practical viewpoint.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Or they are claiming to do this because of islam when they are not. I dont know how you judje things but those are killing muslims too. Now why would someone doing something for islam kill muslims?

They are not muslims and that can be proved simply by Quraan

As well they should not.

Muslims have been killing other muslims for centuries. Not a great argument against them being a muslim organisation.

Like what the quraan says makes any difference to what muslims are doing in this day and age. What muslims are doing in this day and age is what islam IS in this day and age.

My mom wears hijab whereas by 35 years old sister does not and she is not threatened to do so.

I am happy that your aunt lives in a progressive part of the islamic world. However that does not mean that women are not being forced to do so in other areas. That does not mean they are not being mistreated in other areas. That does not mean women are being beaten, raped, killed and if they are lucky, only imprisoned.

Instead of making excuses for the systematic oppression of a good 50% of the population in certain parts of the muslim world, you should be railing against it as we are.

Where is your compassion? Where is your empathy?

 

[The Neo Nerd]

I wonder if the men who claim to know what women are attracted to, have ever asked a woman what she is attracted to.

 

[beenie]

Being fair doesnt mean being equal. Men and women are different and every one has his own traits. This is how Allah created them.

That doesn't mean that 1/2 of the population has to suffer in layers of hot clothing while the other just has to cover from the navel to knee.

I wonder if the men who claim to know what women are attracted to, have ever asked a woman what she is attracted to.

They won't ask, especially in these cultures, because they don't care and then the women might have an argument that men will have to cover themselves up too... you know, for their protection.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

They won't ask, especially in these cultures, because they don't care and then the women might have an argument that men will have to cover themselves up too... you know, for their protection.

I think we do have to give them the opportunity to answer the question before assuming this is so.

It is my theory as well, but i am always open to the possibility that i am wrong.

 

[Sabour]

I know, which I think is the reason a lot of people try to come up with any explanations for enforcing certain dress codes on women and make inaccurate claims about how such dress codes "reduce the risk of getting raped," among other arguments. My point is that the primary reason people support certain rules is that they are taught to do so by their religion. If those rules weren't endorsed in their religion, they wouldn't try to defend and justify them even when the rules don't make any sense from a strictly practical viewpoint.

The point is that everything Allah asks us to do is for our benefit and has the reasons. Take eating pork and its effect on the health for example.

And about reducing the risk of getting rape, this is not the main reason perhaps, but actually it does.