the religious Racial discrimination in Islam Teaching

[Jumi]

@Smart_Guy Finland. It's been no secret though

Here's something fun that's telling of the system here

 

[David M]

In my country as in many Western countries taxation is actually progressive. The more you earn the more you pay percent-wise.

List of countries by tax rates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is a simplified view. In Europe and the US there are a mix of progressive and regressive taxes.

In the US especially there are exemptions and other processes whereby non salary income attracts much lower tax rates than would be paid if the income was salary (and payinmg a good tax specialist is often needed to take advantage of these). This means that the very rich, while they pay more as an absolute amount, can pay less than the middle classes or poor as a percentage amount of total money gained. That is what you see people complaining about.

For instance in the US there are sales taxes, the poor and middle class spend a reasonable amount of their money buying goods and services that attract these taxes, the do not have a lot of capital that can be put towards things such as investments and savings that attract lower tax rates.

An example in the UK are ISAs. The interest earned on these is tax-free and you can put up to £15,000 a year into one. So to take maximum advantage of this tax free interest you need to be able to save that amount of money each year. The poor and middle classes don't get as much chance to take advantage of this as the wealthy.

 

[David M]

Historically, the Israelis were of the indigenous population of Palestine
Why Muslims does not recognize this historic right to them ??

Historically so were Christians and Muslims as well.

 

[Marisa]

Well I'm not American and don't know their system that well. For us, we have a social security safety net for poor, refugees, elderly and incapable people. Education is free up to master's degree with basic necessities provided, so people can be poor but their children have some equality in opportunity.

The US system isn't the way we have it. We have very few homeless for example. Even drug addicts and such are cared for by the government.

US here. I think we'll get where you are sooner rather than later. We're very screwed up at the moment, but we're working on straightening it out. If we can figure out that other countries manage to focus on their people rather than "spreading democracy" I think we'll make our biggest step forward in decades.

 

[Marisa]

"Some work" is an understatement. Half the country denies clinate change and evolution. The working class is losing rights so quickly, and unless you want a lifelong debt, college is way out of the question for many youth.

Our corporations and elite control our country and really, there is no hope.

Personally, my new favorite oxymoron is "right to work".

 

[paarsurrey]

the religious Racial discrimination in Islam Teaching

There is no racial teaching in Islam.

In the very first chapter of Quran, G-d has been defined as rab-ul-alameen "Lord of all the worlds", so He is not racial and He has given no teaching of racialism.

Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism might be racial, as their gods have not been attributed belonging to the whole world or races or ethnicities or colours or languages. Those who differ with me should quote from the scriptures they believe in , as to their claim and reason, in the original language revealed on their founders. Please

Regards

 

[Jumi]

US here. I think we'll get where you are sooner rather than later. We're very screwed up at the moment, but we're working on straightening it out. If we can figure out that other countries manage to focus on their people rather than "spreading democracy" I think we'll make our biggest step forward in decades.

There are many things in the US I wish we had here, but I think it's nice to compare.

Lots of things have gone wrong since we joined the Euro though. I expect our adventures in Europe and diplomatic failures of the conservatives during two last governments will cost us some of what I mentioned.

 

[Marisa]

There are many things in the US I wish we had here, but I think it's nice to compare.

Lots of things have gone wrong since we joined the Euro though. I expect our adventures in Europe and diplomatic failures of the conservatives during two last governments will cost us some of what I mentioned.

Conservative thought usually isn't too welcoming of socially based policies. Which I find sad.

 

[gsa]

Oppression is oppression. But doesn't mean you can just label anything simply anything you want.

I'd say the dhimmi system seem fair ideally, but I'd rather have a society where no one gets any kind of extra tax. The biggest problem with it in my opinion, is that it kind of makes religious minorities, if even permitted, second class citizens.

I do not think that the dhimmi system was fair ideally or in practice. It was definitely not egalitarian; when the Ottomans eliminated it, the purpose was to put Muslims and non-Muslims on equal footing. The jizya varied by region, and in some places it was considerably more onerous than the zakat, which meant that it was incentivizing conversion.

This was certainly more tolerant than the practices in place in Christendom. There's that. But ideal? No.

 

[oldbadger]

We are talking about thought and ideology called Islam
A fixed ideology does not change
Do you discuss Islamic teachings is hatred ??

No mate........
You write as if all Muslims want to subjugate us westerners....... to hate us.
You're wrong. I knew many young Muslims all over Britain during the 90's and 20's and they mostly wanted a job, a decent wage, a bit of status, a nice girlfriend, a motor and some freedom!
You don't know us, and you don't know them!

Where do I live ? I live outside national
These are personal matters which is beyond dialogue

That's OK.......... I didn't think that you could name your country.
You say these things are personal matters but you didn't hold back on naming my country..... you wrote:-

The big question is if the Muslims were able to rule Britain

....see?
The point is, our Muslims DO RULE BRITAIN.......... 'cos like everybody else here they have a vote, and a 'say', and a life here.
Don't talk about countries you know nothing about Mahasn.
Most Muslims here are OK......... much the same as most other folks.

 

[JacobEzra.]

I do not think that the dhimmi system was fair ideally or in practice. It was definitely not egalitarian; when the Ottomans eliminated it, the purpose was to put Muslims and non-Muslims on equal footing. The jizya varied by region, and in some places it was considerably more onerous than the zakat, which meant that it was incentivizing conversion.

This was certainly more tolerant than the practices in place in Christendom. There's that. But ideal? No.

That is why I was saying its okay on paper but easy to twist

 

[JacobEzra.]

Israel oppresses the Palestinians in daily basis, one example known to the whole world is the biggest prison in history
which is the Gaza strip.

You support the oppressor and that tells what kind of person you're.

They wouldn't be stuck if they were not hell bent on war. Easy solution, get rid of hamas, invest money into housing and econony instead of bombs anf tunnels, and then they wouldn't feel so oppressed.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Question clear
Is Israel ask the Palestinian Arabs ( tribute )
Because they are Muslims living in the Jewish religion and the state ruled Palestine ???

Tribute as in tax?

See if you actually read my posts youd have your answer.

 

[FearGod]

They wouldn't be stuck if they were not hell bent on war. Easy solution, get rid of hamas, invest money into housing and econony instead of bombs anf tunnels, and then they wouldn't feel so oppressed.

And while Israel keeps on stealing the Palestinian lands then the Palestinians should get rid of Hamas and stay unarmed as slaves to the Zionists.

US ‘Disappointed’ by Israel’s New East Jerusalem Settlement Plans -- News from Antiwar.com

 

[JacobEzra.]

And while Israel keeps on stealing the Palestinian lands then the Palestinians should get rid of Hamas and stay unarmed as slaves to the Zionists.

US ‘Disappointed’ by Israel’s New East Jerusalem Settlement Plans -- News from Antiwar.com

Im actually against that. But I Hamas fuels more chaos and pain for their people then the right wing Israeli loons

 

[gsa]

Im actually against that. But I Hamas fuels more chaos and pain for their people then the right wing Israeli loons

They mutually reinforce one another. It is a kind of sick symbiosis. Hamas would be disastrous for everyone if they had influence in the West Bank, but as a contained boogeyman they're pretty useful. And Hamas can blame pretty much everything on Israel, including their governance failures. Not that it is completely credible, but they have some argument that the chaos and pain is attributable to the Israeli embargo and incursions.

 

[Smart_Guy]

@Smart_Guy Finland. It's been no secret though
Here's something fun that's telling of the system here

Sorry, I just wanted to sound understanding in case you were not willing to tell us, that's all.

I know 4 Finnish people, three here and one on others forums. Nice people

Edit: Danish! The one from other forums was Danish

 

[Jumi]

I avoid thinking in nationalities and prefer to avoid it, there are great people in any country and some bad apples too

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I don't understand, I'm not going against the word of God!

God did not order us to do it except when they can be helping and if we don't follow some things in Islam, God won't mind if there are no warnings against it.

I'm nor negating a thing He say, I only chose to not apply teachings that were put to help because now there are solutions and means that can achieve the cause they were put for.

There are regulations put so we can use to live our lives and there is no harm in leaving it if that does not hurt.

Islam and most Muslims are not radical to demonize non Muslims by become extremist in some regulations.

Also, it is not like Christians for example follow Christianity 100% to criticize me this way you know. Or is it just Muslims and Islam that are okay for you to criticize?

I hope to shirk candid answer
Islam is a religion and state
And the laws of Islam
Are my words clear
Tribute from the state and the right of the Islamic religion laws
Are my words clear
Special tribute in a certain category only
Christians and Jews
Are my words clear
Do you think that this just law ???
If Britain imposed a tax on its name tribute Muslims only because they migrated
Do you think that this law will be fair ??
I view the matter and bearing in mind the balance ???
When Britain declared state or other discrimination among citizens on the DIN standard Why is it called that law ???
He uses religious discrimination ??
This is the reality in the Islamic religion ??
The tribute is one of the means of coercion used in previous centuries to conquer the people to convert to Islam ??
When Christian not be able to pay tribute to the Muslim ruler take his children from him and sell them in the slave markets

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Why not to recognize it as a christian state ?
Christians were and still in Palestine too.

Palestine was under Romanian control
To the occupation of Muslims
And Christians in Palestine did not declare Palestine a Christian state because they knew that the Jews of the indigenous population of the country
And I want to add to your information
The Palestinians are not of Arab assets also
History says that the Palestinians have emigrated to Palestine from the island of Crete
But after the Islamic occupation to Palestine
Arabs and Muslims have become
And the Al-Aqsa mosque is in the origin of the Jewish Temple which was destroyed by the Romans in the year 70 AD
And after the church was built on its ruins and the church turned into Al-Aqsa mosque, one of the myths of Muslims