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islam abduallah

Active Member
Why not? We're from God and we contain errors. And we're the pinnacle of God's creation. Why should a book be any better?

if a book contains an error i can't trust it's credibility, let me give you an example, let's say that the quran contains error which is really too clear like for example to mention that Moses was after the jesus peace to be upon both, this is a fatal mistake, so how i could trust the quran when it said to me that Jesus wasn't god, or to worship Allah only, i can claim and said maybe it's wrong too, a book from the god is revealed in order to follow it, so it should be totally correct in order not to leave a Justification for non-believers to use, errors or contradictions in a holy book make it un holy, and so no body will accept it except who just follow their desires
i'd like to know what's errors are you talking about??, errors in our actions or errors in our creation or it's another?


You judge the Trinity from others tell you, without bothering to see it through our eyes. You're no better than those you accuse of dismissing the Koran
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neee, indeed using the bible and my mind, and with the help of my christian friends, till that moment i couldn't meet a christian explain it to me, how the three is one and how the one is three, could you? :sarcastic
 

islam abduallah

Active Member
still waiting....

1) The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4

2) Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6

3) The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.

4) The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.

5. Does God exist? The universe had a start - what caused it?

Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists: the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself.

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."9

Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."10

The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.

6. Does God exist? The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?

Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.

How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?

"The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence."11

Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."12

7. Does God exist? The DNA code informs, programs a cell's behavior.

All instruction, all teaching, all training comes with intent. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. Did you know that in every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program? As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, like this: 110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do. The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It's made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billion of these letters in every human cell!!

Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.13

Why is this so amazing? One has to ask....how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person's body should develop.

Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.

this essay is extracted from " Does God Exist - Six Reasons to Believe that God is Really There - Existence of God - Proof of God "
Allah had said "We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?, Unquestionably, they are in doubt about the meeting with their Lord. Unquestionably He is, of all things, encompassing"
 

jelly

Active Member
1) The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4
in your opinion the earth is perfect for Earthings' survival.
it is deadly to all other potential life forms that cannot survive on Earth.
 

jelly

Active Member
2) Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6
how do you know know no living thing can survive without water?
 
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jelly

Active Member
3) The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.
of what use is this observation for your argument?
 

jelly

Active Member
4) The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.
the eye and brain are organs, organs come from tissue, tissue comes from cells, cells come from the arrangement of matter.
 

jelly

Active Member
5. Does God exist? The universe had a start - what caused it?

Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists: the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself.

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."9

Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."10

The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.
from my understanding something existed before the universe changed, it is called a singularity.
 
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jelly

Active Member
6. Does God exist? The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?

Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.

How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?

"The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence."11

Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."12
what makes you think what we have learned from observations about the universes' events won't change with new observation?
 
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jelly

Active Member
7. Does God exist? The DNA code informs, programs a cell's behavior.

All instruction, all teaching, all training comes with intent. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. Did you know that in every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program? As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, like this: 110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do. The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It's made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billion of these letters in every human cell!!

Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.13

Why is this so amazing? One has to ask....how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person's body should develop.

Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.

this essay is extracted from " Does God Exist - Six Reasons to Believe that God is Really There - Existence of God - Proof of God "
Allah had said "We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?, Unquestionably, they are in doubt about the meeting with their Lord. Unquestionably He is, of all things, encompassing"
In my opinion the DNA code does not have intent, it just is.
does your hand have intent if it were separated from your body? it still would have DNA.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
I don't believe there is "one right path". I believe we each have to find our own paths, as each of us has different ways of understanding and relating to life, humanity, divinity, etc. We all have different perceptions, world views, etc. One path isn't going to work for everyone. We need to find the one that works best for us personally, the one that allows us to best cultivate our spirituality and humanity, our relationships with our fellow man and, if believed in, God.

I am sure there are many paths in Jesus and all of them are the right path for that individual. However in a more general sense that person is on God's path which is the right path.

Not everyone is called to be a pastor. I am not. It is a different path but it is still the right path of God. I did jail ministry. Not everyone is called to that. It is a different path but it is still the right path of God.

People are not searching for God as much as God is seraching for them. There are many wandering paths that lead away from God but only a few that lead to Him. For me it was not that the wandering path led me to God but it did lead me to understand that I needed to get on God's path.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
i myself love the jesus too much, more than what you can imagine, buthow do you know that christinity is the right path? did the jesus say that ?

Joh 12:26 If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will the Father honor.

It is not a direct statement but the jist of it is that the path of following Jesus is the path that God honors.

However this is a high calling. For whom much is given much is required. Islam, hearing and obeying God, is the same path but with a lower level of gifts and requirements. Both are the right path. It is conceivable that Hindus and Sikhs can be on that path as well from the testimonies that I have heard.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
:clap i like the example of paris very much, but can we apply that on beliefs?

It does not apply very well. A person can't get to Paris by heading away from it. That is totally illogical. The same is true for God. One does not get closer to Him by retreating from His word.

Granted those who have wandered all over France (like the Tour de France) can find a path back to Paris if they follow directins and those paths will vary in the sense of where they are coming from but there is only one path back to Paris and that is one that leads to Paris.

However what I am saying is that there is only one Paris. When in Paris one can only walk the Paris path. A path in Marseilles is not a path in Paris. A path to Lyon from Marseille is not a path to Paris.

I am saying that when you are in God you walk a godly path but when you are wandering around outside God you are not walking a godly path.
 

islam abduallah

Active Member
It does not apply very well. A person can't get to Paris by heading away from it. That is totally illogical. The same is true for God. One does not get closer to Him by retreating from His word.

totally agree, but how to know the word of god, is it Torah, gospel or the Quran ? which one we should follow? or to follow the three?
 

islam abduallah

Active Member
in your opinion the earth is perfect for Earthings' survival.
it is deadly to all other potential life forms that cannot survive on Earth.

you are thinking in a really too wrong way, you are insisting on assuming that there is a life on other planets, and begin to build a wired belief on it?, the earth is suitable for you and all of the people who we don't know others live outside it
 

islam abduallah

Active Member
the eye and brain are organs, organs come from tissue, tissue comes from cells, cells come from the arrangement of matter.

well, as it's too easy like that, why don't you make an eye or a brain? and who creates the cells and the matters and who made that arrangement in order to make an eye by a certain arrangements and a brain by another arrangements, who did all of that ?
 

islam abduallah

Active Member
In my opinion the DNA code does not have intent, it just is.
does your hand have intent if it were separated from your body? it still would have DNA.

and this is the miracle which you couldn't understand, if it's separate after my forming, it would have the same DNA as it's growth with me since the sperm went to mother's womb

but if it's separated before the sperm went to womb, it won't be formed at all
 
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