i can understand how the god could be both, and i see it the top of wisdom, the god is merciful to who deserves that and the hell is the criminals and who deserves that, i consider if the god not like that, he is not just, wise at all
I personally see applying things as they are "deserved" as petty. An incarnation of God trying to present a certain teaching may play the deserve game(and has done so in the past), but not God Supreme. Besides, there is NO crime worth an eternity in Hell, so it is wholly unjust. No just God would allow such a thing. It is taught that baby Krishna was targeted by his evil uncle to be killed, and sent a witch to kill him. She smeared poison over her breasts and proceeded to breastfeed him under the guidance of a nanny. But instead of dying, He sucked the life out of her. But He granted the witch salvation, because she had approached Him in a motherly way. While I don't worship Krishna specifically, that is an illustration of how God would bend the rules to save even the worst of sinners. Heck, even when He finally killed his murderous uncle, He granted him salvation, because he was constantly focused on Him, even though as an enemy.
Wisdom is the guiding hand of all actions. In order for God to be just, He'd first have to be wise. Wisdom must come before justice, or else there will be no true justice.
What does that have to do with hell? I've heard that story several times, and rather enjoy it. There's similar stories in my tradition, as well.but i'd like to mention a story here, i was intending to post it in a separate subject but i have to post it now, Allah had said in the quran "It is He who enables you to travel on land and sea until, when you are in ships and they sail with them by a good wind and they rejoice therein, there comes a storm wind and the waves come upon them from everywhere and they assume that they are surrounded, supplicating Allah , sincere to Him in religion, "If You should save us from this, we will surely be among the thankful"
the story saying that there was a sailor while he's sailing in sea, a storm hits his ship anddestroyed it, so he raises up his hand to the god, oh! my god i believed in you please save me, so then a ship passed beside him and the people asked him to come, he refused to come with them, and he waits for 3 days and everyday many ships come beside him and he refuse to join any, then he died and blame the god because he didn't save him, then he met the god in the other life and blamed the god not for saving him, so the god answered, i sent to you tens of ships and you refuse to join any, the sailor answered, i thought you will cometo save me or send an angel, or it was on the ship "the ship of thegod comesto save you"
what's your opinion about that man? i think you agree with me that he's wrong, he assume a certain action from the god and build a picture or imagination for the god, what he should do and what he shouldn't do? andat last he was mistaken, and deceive himself,
so, i just want to ask you and everybody else, from where you form that notion aboutthe god? did he tell you? are you sure that the scriptures between your hands are fully right? how do you know that
Scriptures, yes, but also common sense, personal experience and observations, etc. The Scriptures are just guidebooks; they are fallible and always have been. I've never read a perfect Scripture in my life. But this makes sense; they are written by men. They are recording what their experiences are as best as they are able to, which is the reason for the contradictions. Even still, the authors' own biases still creep into the Scriptures. Thus, it falls onto us to use our wisdom-guided intelligence to determine what is Truth and what is not.
But our faith and trust is primarily based on what the Sages teach, and they have literally devoted their ENTIRE lives to discovering these truths. They have renounced all ties to the world for the sake of Truth, usually at a very young age, and when they are ready, they start to teach their wisdom to the world. It's quite easy to tell a genuine Sage from a false one by their teachings. If they're just repeating what's already been said, then they're false. If they are teaching an entirely new set of teachings that do not mesh with the old teachings, logic, and wisdom, then they're false. However, if a new insight into the old teachings is provided, and/or logical reasons are given for the teachings, then they are genuine.
I've read several modern genuine Sages. Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami, Paramahamsa Yogananda, Sri Ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda... Each one has a unique and instantly identifiable way of teaching, as well as providing new spins on old teachings. Yogananda, Vivekananda, and Subramuniyaswami also had the added challenge of presenting these teachings to the West, and each has done very well.
Besides, I could ask you the same thing.
The Qur'an teaches that Allah does not incarnate, and the only reason I've ever seen for this is because it's "beneath him." This makes absolutely no sense to me, as there is nothing that is above or beneath God. How could there be?i couldn't understand what do you mean here
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