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Meow Mix

Chatte Féministe
Also, the correct religion is, of course, worship of Iluvatar -- Eru, the One. Keeper of the Flame Imperishable, master of Arda :flirt:
 
The Neo Nerd

The Neo Nerd

Well-Known Member
Muffled said:
See my post "How does one choose?" Two people from Presevermania have laws against stealing but two people from Destructimania have laws that say it is good to steal. The law against stealing is just as subjective as the law that says it is good to steal. Without God who is there to say one is right and the other wrong.
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When the four people come together to cooperate and share resources they work together to come up with rules that allow them to do so in peace and harmony. As to which law is chosen, well that depends on who has the power to enforce their rule.
Sin is not a construct. It is God's viewpoint of actions that are contrary to His will. Evidently God deems the concept to be necessary. The concept of Sin does not keep people in a religion. Usually the means to do that were social ostracism and punishment. However that would come under the term transgression because acts contrary to a particular religion are not neccessarily acts against God and sometimes are acts for God.
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If the only way to wipe away sin is through your religion then of course sin keeps people in a the religion. It's one of the more blatant techniques the abrahamic religions use to keep people in line.
I already had religion. I needed God. I have to admit it saddens me also. However at the time I perceived myself as being ok and my mother thought the same thing. However in each case whether good or bad, the source was not a law or God but what I had learned in previous lives. Each person carries with him that baggage so that it might seem that it comes without God but how does one know it didn't come from God in a previous life?
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I am a good law abiding person without religion. I don't kill, steal, rape etc. I don't need to believe in an imaginary friend to know what is good or bad.

Whilst not being a wiccan, the part of the wiccan rede that says "an it harm none, do as you will" guides my decisions.

Until your religion is the only way to be a good person then your argument is useless.
 
The Neo Nerd

The Neo Nerd

Well-Known Member
And just for the record Muffled, the god you seem to believe is the creator of your morals commits/commands/condones a number of outright immoral behaviours from mass genocide through slavery and rape.
 
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obi one

Member
islam abduallah said:
there r many religion in the world, but surly there r only one right religion, but how could we reach the right believe, the right path? :)
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There is no "right religion". Religion are a based on the traditions of men. On the other hand, if you want to be religions, you might follow the advice of Isaiah, and visit the widows and orphans.
As for what is the right path, I would recommend you follow the example of Yeshua, which a synopsis would be to do unto others as you would want them to do for you.
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Muffled said:
I am speaking for God not myself.

My mind receives inaudible words from Him while I am conscious although He sometimes does the same thing while I am semi-conscoius (Rem-sleep or dream state).
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Someone posted an article about the "God Cap" I think it was called were such experiences can be stimulated by, I think it was strong EMF directed into certain areas of the brain.

People hear voices and or feel like they in divine presence. Without passing judgement on the source it is a real experience that many have.

One is left to accept the reality of what seems real to them. I suspect this is what many Prophets experienced including Paul on his way to Damascus. The brain is fully capable of creating such an experience. I'm not saying there is nothing more to it but, if the brain is capable of such an experience how can you be sure the source is not a internal process of he brain?
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
obi one said:
There is no "right religion". Religion are a based on the traditions of men. On the other hand, if you want to be religions, you might follow the advice of Isaiah, and visit the widows and orphans.
As for what is the right path, I would recommend you follow the example of Yeshua, which a synopsis would be to do unto others as you would want them to do for you.
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I suspect once it's become a religion, regardless of any truth, you're already screwed.

Religion is generally a case of the blind leading the blind. I know what seems real and apparent to me and I deal with that the best I can. I'm not going to trust somebody on this God thing unless I have really good reason to.
 
dyanaprajna2011

dyanaprajna2011

Dharmapala
What is wrong with the idea that all religions are just different paths leading to the same goal? Are all people the same? No. Do all people think the same? No. Do all people have the same experiences? No. Take me. I was a Christian for 30 years, and I've been a Buddhist for about a year. I'm happy with Buddhism. I see no need for me to change back, or to anything else for that matter. And I don't see the need to try to convince people to change their minds in my direction. I see no need to attempt to convert people away from their religion to mine. That's pointless. All religions are just different paths to the same goal. It's when dogma is added, and the thinking becomes "my religion is the only right religion" where the problems come in at. That thought is preposterous. Everyone will eventually end up at the same place anyway. The main point is to be good, and have morals, and no, you don't even need religion for that. And yes, Christianity, for all the nonsense talk I hear from conservative Christians, is a religion.
 
rusra02

rusra02

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
dyanaprajna2011 said:
What is wrong with the idea that all religions are just different paths leading to the same goal? Are all people the same? No. Do all people think the same? No. Do all people have the same experiences? No. Take me. I was a Christian for 30 years, and I've been a Buddhist for about a year. I'm happy with Buddhism. I see no need for me to change back, or to anything else for that matter. And I don't see the need to try to convince people to change their minds in my direction. I see no need to attempt to convert people away from their religion to mine. That's pointless. All religions are just different paths to the same goal. It's when dogma is added, and the thinking becomes "my religion is the only right religion" where the problems come in at. That thought is preposterous. Everyone will eventually end up at the same place anyway. The main point is to be good, and have morals, and no, you don't even need religion for that. And yes, Christianity, for all the nonsense talk I hear from conservative Christians, is a religion.
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I appreciate your views and many people would agree with them. I believe our religion has a profound effect on our conduct, and our hopes for the future. Religion and religious beliefs have greatly influenced people and nations, often in terrible ways, resulting in death and suffering for millions. The God who created us wants us to know him and have a good relationship with him. You cannot have a relationship with someone you don't know, or of someone you have a distorted and wrong view. Only the true God is worthy of our worship. Non-existent gods cannot help us, for they are merely unreal. Worse, I believe wicked spirit creatures posing as gods can cause us terrible harm. The search for God should be the search for the truth about God. God invites us "to seek God,..grope for him and really find him, although, in fact, he is not far off from each one of us." (Acts 17:27,29,30)

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Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Quaxotic said:
When the four people come together to cooperate and share resources they work together to come up with rules that allow them to do so in peace and harmony. As to which law is chosen, well that depends on who has the power to enforce their rule.
If the only way to wipe away sin is through your religion then of course sin keeps people in a the religion. It's one of the more blatant techniques the abrahamic religions use to keep people in line.
I am a good law abiding person without religion. I don't kill, steal, rape etc. I don't need to believe in an imaginary friend to know what is good or bad.

Whilst not being a wiccan, the part of the wiccan rede that says "an it harm none, do as you will" guides my decisions.

Until your religion is the only way to be a good person then your argument is useless.
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That makes it easy. God has the most power. However having the power and the rules doesn't stop those who wish to break the rules from breaking them.

However if you do no harm to those who do harm then they will continue to do harm.

It is the only way to be a good person for those who are not already good and according to God tht is everyone despite self evaluations to the contrary.
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
AmbiguousGuy said:
Actually, I am the only person on the forum who speaks truly for God.

Why do you claim that you are the one?
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On what do you base your claim for exclusivity?

I am not claiming to be the only one. As for this forum it remains to be seen. What criteria do you have to make the claim?
 
Muffled

Muffled

Jesus in me
Nakosis said:
Someone posted an article about the "God Cap" I think it was called were such experiences can be stimulated by, I think it was strong EMF directed into certain areas of the brain.

People hear voices and or feel like they in divine presence. Without passing judgement on the source it is a real experience that many have.

One is left to accept the reality of what seems real to them. I suspect this is what many Prophets experienced including Paul on his way to Damascus. The brain is fully capable of creating such an experience. I'm not saying there is nothing more to it but, if the brain is capable of such an experience how can you be sure the source is not a internal process of he brain?
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My mind is not capable of telling the future. (Otherwise I would be in Las Vegas getting wealthy)

It is not the brain that causes the phenomenon it is the cap which alters the brain to be more receptive to the spiritual world. Even if a better reception is occurring there is no guarantee that the voices are from God and in many cases it definitely is not. re The voices that tell people to put their children in an oven are not from God.
 
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