the right religion

[1robin]

I believe you are referring to Islamic customs as opposed to what the Qu'ran teaches. I don't remember the Qu'ran teaching to abuse people.

This new format is weird. I was talking about the doctrine of salvation in Islam not about who is actually saved because that is unknowable this side of the dirt.

 

[1robin]

Have you read what you wrote? Please try some plain English?

What?

I am not sure what you are saying is more believeable. Are you saying the God who created people on earth is incapable of creting people on other planets? Has God ever said I only think about earth and the rest of the universe is not my concern? I believe that kind of thinking is ethnocentric or parochial but at least egotistical.

I went way way out of my way to suggest I have no idea what God has created where. The Bible however is specifically earth-centric. If you want to make scripture about other planets then it is your burden to provide very good evidence for it. The bible never mentions people on other planets so there is no reason to discuss guesses about alien life in a biblical context.

I believe this is too general a statement to be true and that God does intervene in nature when He wishes.

Things are true if they are false, they are not untrue just because they are general. If I say that by and large nature was left alone that automatically assumes that God intervenes and I have always held that he does. It just means that people who want to blame everything from a Hurricane to a stiff breeze on him are not so with biblical consistency.

The Lord Speaks to Elijah at Horeb
…11So He said, "Go forth and stand on the mountain before the LORD." And behold, the LORD was passing by! And a great and strong wind was rending the mountains and breaking in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind. And after the wind an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake. 12After the earthquake a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire; and after the fire a sound of a gentle blowing. 13When Elijah heard it, he wrapped his face in his mantle and went out and stood in the entrance of the cave. And behold, a voice came to him and said, "What are you doing here, Elijah?"…
1 Kings 19:12 After the earthquake came a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper.

I believe perhaps but a person can still fall off a cliff and die so will one then blame the cliff for not being perfect nature or worse blame God for allowing a cliff to exist.

God will not allow that to happen. Christ's temptation suggests this.

"throw yourself down. For it is written: "'He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'"
Matthew 4:6 "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down. For it is written: "'He will command his angels concerning you, and they will lift you up in their hands, so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.'"

Any heaven where we can fall off a cliff isn't heaven.

 

[Tiapan]

the right religion

Given there are so many religions and the fact that very many, venerable, intelligent scholars have argued their various validity for millennia. It is like trying to put square pegs in round holes, after all this time no single religion fills all the gaps and fully answers the real questions, there is obviously something very wrong. May I suggest that there is no "right religion" because none are perfect, the only thing that comes close to PERFECT TRUTH is a mechanism called science. I think every one should look at the basis of religion and start again.

Cheers

 

[Muffled]

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Su 8:19 O Unbelievers! If ye prayed for victory and judgement, now hath the judgement come to you: If ye desist from wrong, it will be best for you: If ye return to the attack, so shall We. Not the least good will your forces be to you even if they were multiplied: for verily Allah is with those who believe!

This is defense not aggression. God allows people to defend themslves from attack.

Muslims might say it because of their love of evil but the Qu'ran says that the wrath of God falls on the wicked.

 

[Muffled]

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Sura 3:110 We are the best of Peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: Among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.

I believe Christians fit this better than anyone but we are all races and genders.

I find no verse in the Qu'ran that says a man can hit a woman.

 

[Muffled]

That would be the one that, after having explored all the others, is the one that's left.

I believe that boils down to personal choice which is hardly a right religion in my book.

 

[Muffled]

Please show me how its possible to test it taking into consideration that when you die that if its not true you'll never know,like i said it cannot be tested

The test is: is it the religion that God wants. This can vary because God wants different things at different times but in the end He wants everyone to be one with God in purpose. At present the only way to achieve that is through receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior.

 

[1robin]

Please show me how its possible to test it taking into consideration that when you die that if its not true you'll never know,like i said it cannot be tested

The born again experience is just such a test. That is one of it's primary purposes. To establish for the first time in a humans life a connection with the divine and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. That is not exactly proof of what happens after death but it goes a whole lot farther towards that end that any other faith offers to it's adherents in general. This is why those verses about facing death for the Christian faith sound so ludicrous until you have that experience. The only way those verses are not commands of lunacy is if salvation is a palpable unmistakable event and salvation is permanent.

 

[Muffled]

Given there are so many religions and the fact that very many, venerable, intelligent scholars have argued their various validity for millennia. It is like trying to put square pegs in round holes, after all this time no single religion fills all the gaps and fully answers the real questions, there is obviously something very wrong. May I suggest that there is no "right religion" because none are perfect, the only thing that comes close to PERFECT TRUTH is a mechanism called science. I think every one should look at the basis of religion and start again.

Cheers

I believe this assessment lacks validity. I don't believe a religion has to answer all the questions to be the right religion. God answers the questions He wishes to answer and there is such a thing as TMI.

I believe Chistianity is the right religion because God is perfect and He is in us.

Science is nowhere near perfect. Usually science does not take a moral stand. It ceates the atomic bomb but gives no idea as to whether it should be used or not.

 

[Yeshe Dondrub]

Try clearing your mind of what you are told to believe, and looking in yourself for answers with a more clear perspective, it may lead you to a faith that works better with your needs and mind, or away from some.

You can't help others until you help yourself.

Buddhism was put in with religions but is not one. Nor is it simply theology, or simply neuroscience.

It is working with yourself , to understand the way things are. THat will include testing every teaching. Understanding how it moves the mind away from negative ego. Then test it some more. Like a science experiment.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

Nah, I was thinking more along the lines of the religion responsible for the Crusades, The Inquisition, and the Witchhunts of Europe & North America. The religion that the destroyed 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there, the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead.

You know - They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-1)

just to name a few things

Stalin, Mao, Kim Il Sung, Hitler, many millions in recent - even living memory have died under ideologies of the left.

 

[Cephus]

Stalin, Mao, Kim Il Sung, Hitler, many millions in recent - even living memory have died under ideologies of the left.

You are aware that Hitler was a Christian, right?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Su 8:19 O Unbelievers! If ye prayed for victory and judgement, now hath the judgement come to you: If ye desist from wrong, it will be best for you: If ye return to the attack, so shall We. Not the least good will your forces be to you even if they were multiplied: for verily Allah is with those who believe!

This is defense not aggression. God allows people to defend themslves from attack.

Muslims might say it because of their love of evil but the Qu'ran says that the wrath of God falls on the wicked.

Fromyour knowledge ofcursesdo notbelieve in him
You and you have no right to defend God
Because God is stronger than you
If you think you have the righton his behalf
You arewrong
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Not like your God who ysnkhedmk even defended in combat and therefore invite you to mental dialog
And either a curses you learned of your Prophet not dialogue
And curses in the Qur'an is known
You kindly explain to us the meaning of the following verse
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Thecurse ofyour Prophet'scousin
Do you track your Prophet to send such curses also
I invite youto leavethis
And open your mind to the dialogue

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

The test is: is it the religion that God wants. This can vary because God wants different things at different times but in the end He wants everyone to be one with God in purpose. At present the only way to achieve that is through receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior.

Not disagreeing with you
But I give them to Christ through his teachings
And suppose they have a free check
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Because Islam and Muslims declare himself God
This is what I reject it completely
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[Yeshe Dondrub]

no, i follow the religion based on both the faith and fact, and at the god's eyes , it's surly only one right religion
and surly u can test the belief if it's right or wrong, we have already the proper tools for that "our minds"

If you test it for right or wrong with the mind as a proper tool, you would be Buddhist. Yet it isn't a faith system.

You use faith to explain, and if your faith benefits self and others then it is good. If you cause harm, then it is unjustified, and has failed you.

Each person has the ability to transcend weak emotions and suffering. To work to benefit others. To have equanimity for all life. THe body is the tool, the mind clouded, but true consciousness the liberation.

 

[England my lionheart]

The test is: is it the religion that God wants. This can vary because God wants different things at different times but in the end He wants everyone to be one with God in purpose. At present the only way to achieve that is through receiving Jesus as Lord and Savior.

 

[England my lionheart]

Where's the benefit in "receiving Jesus as Lord and Saviour" in my lifetime,after all there are millions of Christians that die in dispair and destitution,starvation or disease,it's a tough
Test to die of starvation for a baby.

 

[Muffled]

Try clearing your mind of what you are told to believe, and looking in yourself for answers with a more clear perspective, it may lead you to a faith that works better with your needs and mind, or away from some.

You can't help others until you help yourself.

Buddhism was put in with religions but is not one. Nor is it simply theology, or simply neuroscience.

It is working with yourself , to understand the way things are. THat will include testing every teaching. Understanding how it moves the mind away from negative ego. Then test it some more. Like a science experiment.

I believe I have tested Buddhism and found it lacking.

 

[Muffled]

Stalin, Mao, Kim Il Sung, Hitler, many millions in recent - even living memory have died under ideologies of the left.

I believe Stalin's theology was that science is god.

 

[Muffled]

Fromyour knowledge ofcursesdo notbelieve in him
You and you have no right to defend God
Because God is stronger than you
If you think you have the righton his behalf
You arewrong
If you want to defend your Prophet here defended the call
Prefer engaged discussed
All we are sayingfrom the Qur'an
If youdon't want toopen your mindthisproblemyou
I don't follow the man owned a 13 girl
I do not believethat Godkhlkontiexplodemyselffor
I believeina strongmachineprotect me
Not like your God who ysnkhedmk even defended in combat and therefore invite you to mental dialog
And either a curses you learned of your Prophet not dialogue
And curses in the Qur'an is known
You kindly explain to us the meaning of the following verse
Decide on thehand of thefather offlame
Thecurse ofyour Prophet'scousin
Do you track your Prophet to send such curses also
I invite youto leavethis
And open your mind to the dialogue

If one is looking for a prophet without sin, only Jesus qaulifies. However the nature of the prophet does not alter the nature of the word that God gave to him.