The sick concept of Eternal hell suffering.

[mickiel]

"Salvation" is a purely theopolitical control device. Nothing more, nothing less.

Man existed for over a hundred thousand years quite nicely before "salvation" hit the scene, and have since your relgiion was founded as well.

You have made an error in judgement, I am not a religious man, I hold to no religion. And don't need one. You have made a second error in judgement, Salvation is not a control device, it is the destiny of all of humanity.

Peace.

 

[AxisMundi]

You have made an error in judgement, I am not a religious man, I hold to no religion. And don't need one. You have made a second error in judgement, Salvation is not a control device, it is the destiny of all of humanity.

Peace.

First you state that you are not a religious man, and then state a purely religious concept.

Come back after you get yourself sorted out.

 

[mickiel]

First you state that you are not a religious man, and then state a purely religious concept.

Come back after you get yourself sorted out.

No I willnot come back, I think I'll stay for now.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Eternal hell suffering, the belief in it, acceptance of it, is a warp in human understanding, which teachs that Gods mind is warped. Eternal suffering is warped. Just think of the most painless amount of punishment, like a slap in the face. Then think of the immense repitition of eternity, endless continuity. You will receive a slap on the face, every second, everyday, for all time. The painlessness of it at first, will turn into a horrid amount of pain, as you are slapped trillions of times, with no end to it in sight.

Its just pure insanity which religion has embraced.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

You can never trust a religion that endorses eternal hell punishing, never! If a religion embraces an insane doctrine, they have embraced others. Indeed their religion is full of such inept doctrinal interpitation, mostly designed to perpectuate doom into humanity.

They turn the bible into a weapon of destruction, when it was designed to be a Salvation machine.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You can never trust a religion that endorses eternal hell punishing, never! If a religion embraces an insane doctrine, they have embraced others. Indeed their religion is full of such inept doctrinal interpitation, mostly designed to perpectuate doom into humanity.
They turn the bible into a weapon of destruction, when it was designed to be a Salvation machine.
And I want to go into that.
Peace.

"a Salvation machine' for 'many' (Matt 20:28).
'Many' except those of Matt 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6

Jesus did Not endorse eternal hellfire punishment.
Fire was used to teach destruction.
Hell comes to an end during Jesus 1000-year reign. Rev 20:13,14.
Emptied-out hell is destroyed, a symbolic death. A second death of no return.
Punishment for the wicked is: everlasting destruction. -2 Thess 1:9

Science and often the churches teach doom and gloom about the earth being destroyed instead of the wicked being destroyed off earth. Whereas Scripture teaches the earth abides forever with the humble meek inheriting the earth forever starting with Jesus Millennial Reign over earth when Jesus ushers in Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill.


Ecc 1:4 B; Psalm 78:69; 104:35; 119:90; Isaiah 45:17,18; 55:11; 37:11,29,38

 

[mickiel]

"for the wicked is: everlasting destruction. -2 Thess 1:9

Everlasting destruction of their human bodies, but not their Consciousness. All human bodies are destined for everlastion destruction. In verse 8 ;" Dealing out " Retribution" to those who do not know God, and to those who do not obey Jesus and his gospel." The key word here is " Retribution', thats whats destined for unbelievers and those who simply do not know God at all.

Retribution means " Restoring", it means an act of requiting or giving compensation.

It means giving Salvation totally free as a gift.

If someone does not know me, why should I kill them forever, just because they do not know me. The verse states that God will deal out Retribution to those who do not know him. Why doomsaying Christians believe God will kill forever, those who do not know him, is beyond me. Its senile and misrepresenitive of Gods Word.

Peace.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If all human bodies are destined for destruction, then how do you explain that the living sheep-like ones of Matthew 25:31,32;46; 16:27 are alive and keep right on living on earth to gain everlasting life right into Jesus Millennial Reign over earth?

How can the humble meek inherit the earth (Matt 5:5; Psalm 37:11,29,38) if they are destroyed?
How can the 'upright' remain as Proverbs 2:21,22 says if the upright are destroyed?

Why would God execute forever? As Jeremiah 25:31-33 writes because God pleads first before the wicked are given to the sword. The sword of Jesus mouth as Isaiah 11:4; Rev 19:11,15 says. Both the righteous and wicked are first warned as Ezekiel 3:18-21 says.
The good news of God's kingdom (Matt 24:14) is proclaimed first before the end of all badness on earth comes.

Isn't the unforgivable sin unforgivable? Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6

 

[AK4]

Isn't the unforgivable sin unforgivable? Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6

I could have sworn i already showed you there is no unforgivable sin or did you just not read what i put? It was not from my opinion or "idea" either, it was from the what the greek really says and not from bogus translations. Try reading a concordant or Rotherhams.

 

[mickiel]

If all human bodies are destined for destruction, then how do you explain that the living sheep-like ones of Matthew 25:31,32;46; 16:27 are alive and keep right on living on earth to gain everlasting life right into Jesus Millennial Reign over earth?

How can the humble meek inherit the earth (Matt 5:5; Psalm 37:11,29,38) if they are destroyed?
How can the 'upright' remain as Proverbs 2:21,22 says if the upright are destroyed?

Why would God execute forever? As Jeremiah 25:31-33 writes because God pleads first before the wicked are given to the sword. The sword of Jesus mouth as Isaiah 11:4; Rev 19:11,15 says. Both the righteous and wicked are first warned as Ezekiel 3:18-21 says.
The good news of God's kingdom (Matt 24:14) is proclaimed first before the end of all badness on earth comes.

Isn't the unforgivable sin unforgivable? Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6

Flesh is temporary physico chemical creation, thats all it is. Humanity was created to inherit eternal life, no flesh can live for eternity.

Peace.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Flesh is temporary physico chemical creation, thats all it is. Humanity was created to inherit eternal life, no flesh can live for eternity.
Peace.

If Adam had not disobeyed he would be alive today.

True that no imperfect unhealthy flesh can live for eternity.

Adam originally had perfectly healthy flesh.

Job had an interesting viewpoint at Job 33:25 in that he was looking forward to flesh that would be fresher than a child's; he will return to the days of his youth.
Verse 28 talks of having one's soul delivered from the pit and his life seeing the light of day.

Job knew (14:13,14) that he would be called back from the dead.
He would just have to wait for the appointed time until resurrection day, or Jesus millennium-long day. - Acts 24:15.

 

[mickiel]

Well I certainly disagree with this. Adam was destined by God to not live forever, disobedience had nothing to do with it. The destiny of humanity was not, is not , never has been based on what Adam would do. Its based on what Jesus would do, has done, nothingelse. Adam was designed to be disobedient, he was never designed to be perfect. What God designs to be perfect, will always be in perfection, conversely, what he designs to be imperfect, will always be that way until he, and he alone, changes it.

Peace.

 

[AxisMundi]

Well I certainly disagree with this. Adam was destined by God to not live forever, disobedience had nothing to do with it. The destiny of humanity was not, is not , never has been based on what Adam would do. Its based on what Jesus would do, has done, nothingelse. Adam was designed to be disobedient, he was never designed to be perfect. What God designs to be perfect, will always be in perfection, conversely, what he designs to be imperfect, will always be that way until he, and he alone, changes it.

Peace.

You know, you remind me quite strongly of someone with the same username on another forum I frequent.

Like you, he would swear up and down that he wasn't a Christian, yet would constantly talk about salvation, and other Christian principles, endlessly. Like you, he would completely ignore hard physical evidence contrary to his religious views claiming them lies, especially when bashing "cave men". Like you, he signed his posts with "Peace".

As soon as I pointed out the same username and same arguments used elsewhere, including Christian Only Forums, he disappeared from that forum when I called his credibility into question and pointed out that he was, indeed lying by claiming he wasn't a Christian.

Hello Mickiel, I'm surprised you don't remember me from the other forum. I use the same username there, like you did.

 

[mickiel]

You know, you remind me quite strongly of someone with the same username on another forum I frequent.

Like you, he would swear up and down that he wasn't a Christian, yet would constantly talk about salvation, and other Christian principles, endlessly. Like you, he would completely ignore hard physical evidence contrary to his religious views claiming them lies, especially when bashing "cave men". Like you, he signed his posts with "Peace".

As soon as I pointed out the same username and same arguments used elsewhere, including Christian Only Forums, he disappeared from that forum when I called his credibility into question and pointed out that he was, indeed lying by claiming he wasn't a Christian.

Hello Mickiel, I'm surprised you don't remember me from the other forum. I use the same username there, like you did.

Your name is familular to me, and I greet you. I don't know what Mickiel you met, but I do not run from confrontation. I will, on occassion dissapear from the forums I frequent, but only that mostly because of moderator pressure. Often my intrests can present a disturbance to the " Common flow" of a website, and I understand that, and hold no desire to disrupt that flow, so I back off. For a time.

Not knowing this other Mickiel, I can state without a doubt that I am not Christian, and hold no desire to be one. I believe in God, and admit that some of my beliefs, match Christian beliefs, some of them, but nowhere near all. I simply do NOT view Christianity as holding a monopoly on God, as if to say that all believers in God, must then be Christian. I view that as mundane charactheration, labeling others as YOU see the subject, and thinking that nothingelse can fit into that subject.

I refuse to be labeled " Christian" by others who hold a limited mindset in their judgement of others they examine. I believe some things that Buddist believe, that Jehovahs Witness believe, that Atheist believe, but I am none of the above.

And if you cannot understand this, thats your propblem, not mine!

Peace.

 

[AxisMundi]

Your name is familular to me, and I greet you. I don't know what Mickiel you met, but I do not run from confrontation. I will, on occassion dissapear from the forums I frequent, but only that mostly because of moderator pressure. Often my intrests can present a disturbance to the " Common flow" of a website, and I understand that, and hold no desire to disrupt that flow, so I back off. For a time.

Not knowing this other Mickiel, I can state without a doubt that I am not Christian, and hold no desire to be one. I believe in God, and admit that some of my beliefs, match Christian beliefs, some of them, but nowhere near all. I simply do NOT view Christianity as holding a monopoly on God, as if to say that all believers in God, must then be Christian. I view that as mundane charactheration, labeling others as YOU see the subject, and thinking that nothingelse can fit into that subject.

I refuse to be labeled " Christian" by others who hold a limited mindset in their judgement of others they examine. I believe some things that Buddist believe, that Jehovahs Witness believe, that Atheist believe, but I am none of the above.

And if you cannot understand this, thats your propblem, not mine!

Peace.

You, sir, are a liar.

That is why I "outed" you on the other forum.

 

[mickiel]

You, sir, are a liar.

That is why I "outed" you on the other forum.

I don't know what your talking about. What forum? Simply state where and when, I have been put out of forums before, and I will admit to that. Perhaps am destined to be put out of this one. Were you a moderator at this place you claim to have outed me? State your proof that I am lying.

Peace.

 

[AxisMundi]

I don't know what your talking about. What forum? Simply state where and when, I have been put out of forums before, and I will admit to that. Perhaps am destined to be put out of this one. Were you a moderator at this place you claim to have outed me? State your proof that I am lying.

Peace.

I have already encroached on forum rules, I will not proceed further than to state interested parties can peruse the link below.

http://www.boardtracker.com/cgi-bin/display_member.pl?board=3640&member=348027

And as I am already aware of your complete lack of credibility, and honesty, I will now be adding you to my ignore list to preserve my membership on this site as I will feel compelled to mention this whereever your comments appear.

 

[mickiel]

I have already encroached on forum rules, I will not proceed further than to state interested parties can peruse the link below.

Mickiel's (from City-Data Forum) related information - Forum Discussion Search with BoardTracker.com

And as I am already aware of your complete lack of credibility, and honesty, I will now be adding you to my ignore list to preserve my membership on this site as I will feel compelled to mention this whereever your comments appear.

I used to post at city-data.com, but was never outed by anyone there. I had posts closed there, and you never " Outed me", I left of my own free will because of pressure from the moderators. Show me what " Lie" I told, stop backstepping. You came out and made this rediculus accusation, now prove it. I think you want the credit for me leaving the site, you want the glory of accomplishing what YOU think you need to accomplish, that of me being silenced. You want to silence me, and you desire the credit for getting that done. This is what I see in what you have now exposed. You have broken no forum rules, you backtrack because you know its really you who are lying.

I am not Christian, I was not outed from the site, and you didnot out me. And yet you show the sheer nerve to call me a liar, and then insult me, and then want personal glory for it.

Man, you come right out of a comic book.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

You know, I understand that my thoughts are not commonly accepted, but I see no reason to be falsely accused of things, I do not falsely accuse others that I disagree with. Do you know what its like to be called a liar, then a person claims to have " Outed you from a website?" That person seeks a perverted glory, because they really desire to do what they have falsely claimed to have done. This is the mindset that rules the internet now, truth has been swept under the cover by those who have their own agenda.

And will claim anything to lift themselves up, while putting you down.

This is the true influence of the Darkness.

Peace.

 

[Muffled]

Hell has dug itself into our consciousness. How many times have you said to yourself or others, " To hell with it!" It comes out in simple conversations or just personal thinking. " What the Hell is That', or " Go to hell man!" Just evidence of how deep this false concept has been laid.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

Would you like to go now or wait until later, lol.

Maybe you would like to wait until Hell freezes over?

I wouldn't count on that happening before you get there.