The sick concept of Eternal hell suffering.

[URAVIP2ME]

Why would religion embrace the sick concept of hell; because they are convinced that God wants that.
Why would a Great Loving merciful God, want eternal pain for anyone? That is a great contridiction, but certain scriptures seem to imply it. Thats WHY certain believers, then believe it.
And I want to examine that contridiction in detail.
Peace.

Why? because the clergy teach the flock.
But according to Acts [20vs29,30] the clergy dress in sheep's clothing in order to fleece the flock. Often the clergy have a political agenda instead of Christ's.

In scripture 'fire' can be figurative of destruction.
Gehenna was a garbage dump where things were destroyed and not kept burning forever. So Gehenna [hellfire] is a fitting symbol of destruction and why Psalm 92v7 mentions destruction or annihilation forever.
2nd Thess1v9 mentions punished, not with fire, but everlasting destruction.
God want all to repent [2Peter 3v9b] so as not to perish or be destroyed.

As far as 'eternal hell' please notice Rev 20vs13,14 because once all in hell are delivered up [resurrected] then 'emptied-out hell' dies a symbolic second death of no return.

 

[Beta]

Except for those few miracles, there is no second resurrection mentioned in Scripture for general mankind.
The first or earlier resurrection is for those ruling with Jesus- Rev 5vs9,10.
Following the first or earlier resurrection to heaven will being the earthly resurrection taking place on earth during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.

The Saints (Firstfruits) are in the first resurrection at the return of Christ (beginning of the 1000 years)
Rev.20v5 but the rest of the dead (all mankind apart from the Saints) lived not again until the 1000 years were finished.....(clearly stating a second resurrection)
There will be no resurrection during the 1000 years, only one at the beginning and one at the end. During the millennium Christ and the resurrected Saints will be dealing with all nations on earth, all the living and yet to be born Rev.19v15.
This is my understanding and will agree to disagree but no need to argue.

 

[mickiel]

Why? because the clergy teach the flock.
But according to Acts [20vs29,30] the clergy dress in sheep's clothing in order to fleece the flock. Often the clergy have a political agenda instead of Christ's.

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The clergy are raping the individual need to study for yourself from the flock, they trust more in their Pastor than they do God.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

The sick concept of eternal hell suffering, is really a result of humans suffering now, then religious humans believing God wants to extend the suffering beyond the grave. Why should humans live in hell, then die and go to a worser hell? They believe God is literally saying, " Beat me, beat me, show me that you care, and if you do not care enough, then after you die, I'm going to beat you forever!"

Wake up and smell the true Roses of Gods Love.

Peace.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

Thank God there is no hell. Ba-dum-tish.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The Saints (Firstfruits) are in the first resurrection at the return of Christ (beginning of the 1000 years)
Rev.20v5 but the rest of the dead (all mankind apart from the Saints) lived not again until the 1000 years were finished.....(clearly stating a second resurrection)
There will be no resurrection during the 1000 years, only one at the beginning and one at the end. During the millennium Christ and the resurrected Saints will be dealing with all nations on earth, all the living and yet to be born Rev.19v15.
This is my understanding and will agree to disagree but no need to argue.

I want to apologize to you if I came across as trying to argue.
That was not purpose. Sorry if I came across that way.

The 'lived not' until the 1000 years were finished is in connection to 'eternal living'. Those holy ones in heaven [saints] have already received immortality like Christ. [John 5v26].
Those resurrected on earth are offered everlasting life.
If any resurrected on earth prove unfaithful during the 1000 years they will 'live not' eternally, but experience second death.
Those that are faithful to the end of the 1000 years will 'live'.
Live eternally or gain everlasting life [not experience second death]
but live forever on a paradisaic earth as was originally offered to Adam at his creation.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Thank God there is no hell. Ba-dum-tish.

The Biblical hell is the stone-cold common grave of mankind.
Jesus believed the dead sleep the deep sleep of death until resurrection.
At Jesus death he went to the Biblical hell or gravedom. Acts 2vs27,31.
Jesus believed he would be in an unconscious state until God would resurrect him. -[John 11vs11-14; Ecc 9v5; Psalm 6v5; 13v3; 115v17; 146v4]

Revelation [20vs13,14] mentions an end to hell or all graves.
All in hell [gravedom] are 'delivered up' [graves are emptied out]
The vacant, void of people, hell dies a symbolic death.
Indicating our 'last enemy death' will be no more. 1 Cor 15v26; Rev 21vs4,5.

So Scripturally one can say thank God there will be no more hell [graves]
No more hell [graves] starting with resurrection morning, so to speak, during Christ's millennial-long day of reigning over earth.
-Daniel 12vs2,13

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

The Biblical hell is the stone-cold common grave of mankind.
Jesus believed the dead sleep the deep sleep of death until resurrection.
At Jesus death he went to the Biblical hell or gravedom. Acts 2vs27,31.
Jesus believed he would be in an unconscious state until God would resurrect him. -[John 11vs11-14; Ecc 9v5; Psalm 6v5; 13v3; 115v17; 146v4]

Revelation [20vs13,14] mentions an end to hell or all graves.
All in hell [gravedom] are 'delivered up' [graves are emptied out]
The vacant, void of people, hell dies a symbolic death.
Indicating our 'last enemy death' will be no more. 1 Cor 15v26; Rev 21vs4,5.

So Scripturally one can say thank God there will be no more hell [graves]
No more hell [graves] starting with resurrection morning, so to speak, during Christ's millennial-long day of reigning over earth.
-Daniel 12vs2,13

I'm afraid I'm stuck sticking with the hells mentioned in Big Trouble in Little China. My studies show they're simply more marketable than the Christian one.

 

[Beta]

I want to apologize to you if I came across as trying to argue.
That was not purpose. Sorry if I came across that way.

The 'lived not' until the 1000 years were finished is in connection to 'eternal living'. Those holy ones in heaven [saints] have already received immortality like Christ. [John 5v26].

:sorry1: , I was not implying you were argumentative but we have big differences that evoke disagreement.
You believe the resurrected Saints are in heaven but scripture is clear they will reign with Christ ON THE EARTH Rev.20v6; 5v10. They are not in heaven but on the earth WITH CHRIST subduing and correcting all nations Rev.19. It is pointless to go over this repeatedly, scripture is clear.

 

[Thief]

Yeah well.....quoting scripture isn't working very well...now is it?

To undo the 'sick' concept of hell you need to.....

Remove the parables of the Carpenter....filled with warning and consequence.

Remove the concept of an Adversary....any and all efforts he makes of denial.

Remove the word judgment from the scriptures.....all scriptures.

Remove the notion that angels carry swords.

Disregard that there have been wars in heaven.....lines drawn.

Tell the saints and martyrs there will be retribution for their suffering.

And then face the consequence of doing unto others, as you did unto them.

 

[Wotan]

No really...let's get back to topic.

Hell is separation from that which you love most.
That is supposed to be God.

Many are called few are chosen....His choice not yours.

Those who are not chosen...do without.
Oh hell!

Do without what?

 

[Thief]

Do without what?

Shall I assume you have no faith?
We could start the list with your lack thereof.

 

[Wotan]

Shall I assume you have no faith?
We could start the list with your lack thereof.

And this a problem because . . . ?

And 2nd on your list is . . . . and is a problem because . . . ?

 

[Thief]

And this a problem because . . . ?

Your lack of faith is not a problem....to me.

And 2nd on your list is . . . . and is a problem because . . . ?

And the items I listed would persist when trying to ignore the possibility of hell
as something real.

Problems?.....no....none at all.

 

[Wotan]

Problems?.....no....none at all.

So what - of consequence - am i "doing without?"

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Wotan-

There is truth in Cicero's words because according to Scripture Satan is the 'god' of this world of badness.-2 Cor 4v4.
As this world's 'god' the best way Satan can achieve worship is by religion,
or by having the world's religions actually do Satan's bidding and not God's.
-Rev 12vs9,12

Yes, the rulers find religion useful because the religious leaders do the bidding of the rulers. In other words, the religious leaders really have a 'political agenda' not God's spiritual agenda. Even using the pulpit as a recruiting station for the political world so parents will equate sacrificing their young men on the alter of war as the same dying for God.

That is why it should come as no surprise that once the world's religious sector is no longer considered useful [but troublesome] to the world's rulers, the political 'kings' or world powers, represented by the UN, will turn on the world's false religious 'queen' that has now run afoul proving herself true to Satan and false to God.
-Rev 17v2; 18v7

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

Religion is still being used as a tool by heads of states in various areas so...........

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Religion is still being used as a tool by heads of states in various areas so...........

....so that was not what Jesus taught religion is to be used for. [John 13vs34,35]
Jesus was neutral toward the political world.
Jesus first-century followers were also neutral.
They did not even become involved with the issues of their day between the Romans and the Jews.

 

[ButTheCatCameBack]

....so that was not what Jesus taught religion is to be used for. [John 13vs34,35]
Jesus was neutral toward the political world.
Jesus first-century followers were also neutral.
They did not even become involved with the issues of their day between the Romans and the Jews.

And I care about this why?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

And I care about this why?

Why? because the political world is going to turn on the religious world.
With backing the UN can be strengthened to turn on the religious sector.
We want to be classed as one of the sheep-like ones of Matthew [25v32] who will be able to gain everlasting life during Jesus 1000-year reign over earth.

In the past God used the political 'ax', so to speak, to be used on those that disobeyed God. So to escape this coming 'ax' or being destroyed as an enemy of God we need to keep separate from being involved in what is going to be destroyed. Once God uses the political world to turn against the false religious world, then as Revelation describes the words from Jesus mouth will be as sharp as a two-edged sword, or an executioner's sword, to get rid of all the wickedness on earth including the destroying of Satan.
[Isaiah 11v4; Rev 19vs11,14,15;18v4; Hebrews 2v14 B; Jeremiah 25vs31-33]

James [1v27] says to keep unspotted from the world. Or do not be stained by the world's ways that are contrary or opposite God's ways either politically or religiously. Moral integrity is essential in God's eyes, and not having a false tongue like Satan with telling lies. Jesus needs to be our example or model to follow. -John 13vs34,35.

Also, why care is because as 1st Peter 5v7 says: God cares for You.
-James 4v8; 2nd Peter 3v9.